Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
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Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
As you can see from my name (LandieFan – Defenders ONLY) I have been sitting on the other side for most of my life. The first move in the right direction was buying a Toyota Prado. You cannot imagine the abuse I got for that (being a Landie fan and all).
The Prado is the finest car money can buy, but it is not really the car you want to use as a hunting/fishing cabbie. My first 5 meters of off-road cost me a lot of money when I drove over a branch that stuck a 2 inch hole through the rear bumper. So now I want a Hilux (I am sick of getting a lift when the road ends).
My question is; is the new Hilux still a Hilux or is it an electronic filled plastic 4x4, best suited to stay on the road?
The Prado is the finest car money can buy, but it is not really the car you want to use as a hunting/fishing cabbie. My first 5 meters of off-road cost me a lot of money when I drove over a branch that stuck a 2 inch hole through the rear bumper. So now I want a Hilux (I am sick of getting a lift when the road ends).
My question is; is the new Hilux still a Hilux or is it an electronic filled plastic 4x4, best suited to stay on the road?
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
hi fritz
welcome from us in the freestate
nothing wrong with the new lux just ma check the trip reports and look for yuor self
welcome from us in the freestate
nothing wrong with the new lux just ma check the trip reports and look for yuor self
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
Hi Fritz
Welcome to the forum
have a look at these topics to see the new hilux in action.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10224
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9747
Welcome to the forum
have a look at these topics to see the new hilux in action.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=10224
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=9747
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
Hi Frik
Welcome and congrats on the wise decision.
Let my answer your question with another; If you get a Landy to be reliable and stop leaking oil, is it still a Landy?
Welcome and congrats on the wise decision.
Let my answer your question with another; If you get a Landy to be reliable and stop leaking oil, is it still a Landy?
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
Welcome Fritz! Good luck with you search for a good 'ole Lux! (Then you can keep the 'landie fan' as a biltong drier and change your avatar! )
When your road comes to an end ...... you need a HILUX!.
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Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
It's not about waiting for storms to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.
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Life is like a jar of Jalapeño peppers ... what you do today, might burn your ass tomorrow.
Don't take life too seriously ..... no-one gets out alive.
It's not about waiting for storms to pass. It's about learning to dance in the rain.
And be yourself ..... everyone else is taken!
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
I dont think the new Hilux is so reliable like the pre-2005 models.The reason for that is LOCAL CONTENT. IF you could import one from Japan it would be a different vehicle.One day we will read , Local content killed the Hilux. Just my opinion !!landiefan wrote:As you can see from my name (LandieFan – Defenders ONLY) I have been sitting on the other side for most of my life. The first move in the right direction was buying a Toyota Prado. You cannot imagine the abuse I got for that (being a Landie fan and all).
The Prado is the finest car money can buy, but it is not really the car you want to use as a hunting/fishing cabbie. My first 5 meters of off-road cost me a lot of money when I drove over a branch that stuck a 2 inch hole through the rear bumper. So now I want a Hilux (I am sick of getting a lift when the road ends).
My question is; is the new Hilux still a Hilux or is it an electronic filled plastic 4x4, best suited to stay on the road?
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
I would say the new Hilux is stronger than the older ones.Compare the size and thicknes of the chassis.
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
Older Hiluxes also had a percentage of local content
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
True. By weight, probably more so than the new models.
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
Waar , maar baie kleiner %BenHur wrote:Older Hiluxes also had a percentage of local content
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
I dont think it has anything to do with local content. It is all about money for the big corporates, and they will cut corners to satisfy the "bottom line", and if that means they have to compromise on reliability that is exactly what they will do. This is not only true of Toyota, but of all corporates. Satisfying the share-holders have become more important than satisfying the customers, chances are that stuff wont break because they cut corners and they are willing to take that risk. Toyota is a player on the world markets and it is essential that they remain profitable at all costs, and if that means that you, little Johnny in sunny SA, are being pee'd off because your Toyota wont start, well tough luck dude.
How does this fit in with the old and the new Hilux? The old Hilux was built in a time when "Reliability" was not negotiable for Toyota, and therefore the brand built up a very good reputation as being super-ultra reliable. That is also the reason why they were so conservative in engine choices and body shapes. To build a stable brand that satisfies their customers and dont leave them stranded on the side of the road.
The old SFA Hilux was primarily a Workhorse bakkie that ended up being used as a leisure vehicle, hence no aircon, electric windows, solid front axle etc etc. They were also tough as nails and goes everywhere. These are all workhorse traits.
But suddenly Toyota identified the demand for a leisure vehicle and came to the party, albeit slowly, first with the introduction on IFS in SA in 1998 (this has been available in the USA since the early 90's), and also the electric windows, ABS, etc etc. This was a Workhorse/Leisure bakkie well equipped for having fun but also tough enough to do a hard day's work. Although with the application of leather seats and metallic paint many owners feel too sorry for their bakkies to work them hard, and have an SFA parked in the back yard to do the nasty stuff.
Gradually the Hilux became a confused puppy, because it although it was a workhorse, it was also an okay leisure vehicle and lots of people bought them. When it was time for a new model Toyota went and focused primarily on the leisure side of things and designed the new Hilux as a Leisure vehicle that can be used as a workhorse. This does not mean that the new Hilux is soft, but it does mean that the whole focus of Bakkie-ness has shifted.
Toyota is not the only brand that did this. All the other brands also went "soft", so to speak, and this is true of Land Rover as well. Nowadays there are so many gadgets and electronic wizzardry in the vehicle it is not even funny. And a vehicle can be rendered immobile by an electric seat malfunctioning or something I heard the other day. Where will it all end.
The point is this. You cannot really compare the old Hilux and the new Hilux as they are 2 completely different vehicles built for different purposes, and at times when different "masters" (customers vs share-holders) had to be satisfied. I will buy a new Hilux, if Toyota SA will give me the model that I want, but being the customer, my requirements don't count, as their bottom line is more important and therefore they wont supply it in SA... Oh what to do now...
How does this fit in with the old and the new Hilux? The old Hilux was built in a time when "Reliability" was not negotiable for Toyota, and therefore the brand built up a very good reputation as being super-ultra reliable. That is also the reason why they were so conservative in engine choices and body shapes. To build a stable brand that satisfies their customers and dont leave them stranded on the side of the road.
The old SFA Hilux was primarily a Workhorse bakkie that ended up being used as a leisure vehicle, hence no aircon, electric windows, solid front axle etc etc. They were also tough as nails and goes everywhere. These are all workhorse traits.
But suddenly Toyota identified the demand for a leisure vehicle and came to the party, albeit slowly, first with the introduction on IFS in SA in 1998 (this has been available in the USA since the early 90's), and also the electric windows, ABS, etc etc. This was a Workhorse/Leisure bakkie well equipped for having fun but also tough enough to do a hard day's work. Although with the application of leather seats and metallic paint many owners feel too sorry for their bakkies to work them hard, and have an SFA parked in the back yard to do the nasty stuff.
Gradually the Hilux became a confused puppy, because it although it was a workhorse, it was also an okay leisure vehicle and lots of people bought them. When it was time for a new model Toyota went and focused primarily on the leisure side of things and designed the new Hilux as a Leisure vehicle that can be used as a workhorse. This does not mean that the new Hilux is soft, but it does mean that the whole focus of Bakkie-ness has shifted.
Toyota is not the only brand that did this. All the other brands also went "soft", so to speak, and this is true of Land Rover as well. Nowadays there are so many gadgets and electronic wizzardry in the vehicle it is not even funny. And a vehicle can be rendered immobile by an electric seat malfunctioning or something I heard the other day. Where will it all end.
The point is this. You cannot really compare the old Hilux and the new Hilux as they are 2 completely different vehicles built for different purposes, and at times when different "masters" (customers vs share-holders) had to be satisfied. I will buy a new Hilux, if Toyota SA will give me the model that I want, but being the customer, my requirements don't count, as their bottom line is more important and therefore they wont supply it in SA... Oh what to do now...
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Re: Is the new Hilux still a Hilux?
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