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Photo's of the various engines used in Hilux's, pros & c

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I have found it very interesting when I hear of the various engine swops that some people do to their Toyota Hilux vehicles, what problems that they have experienced while fitting the engine, the preference of diesel to petrol and visa versa.

Thus I will be posting some pic's of the various engines that can be fitted, your comments and input would be most appreciated, with your input, ideas we all will be able to benefit from this info.

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Here we have the 22R petrol engine also known as the 2.4 petrol engine, these engines are very heavy on fuel and thus some people remove them and fit a diesel engine instead, an EFI system can also be fitted to this engine which improves the fuel consumption, but it will then take you a few years to make up in the fuel costs saved compared to the actuall cost of the mod in the first place, yes this mod does give your vehicle a much higher performance aspect, but like I said there are always pros and cons to consider as well.
This photo of this 22R engine is from a 1994 Toyota Hilux single cab bakkie, but these engines were also fitted to double cabs. If I am correct they were fitted to vehicles from 1994 up until 1998 as std fitment, I have not heard of anybody up grading to this engine. :arrow:
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The 7MGE Fuel Injection Engine

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Here we have a photo of the 7MGE six cylinder fuel injection engine, it is petrol, to operate it has to have a computor back up system as well as a special air flow meter on the intake air filtration system, this type of engine comes from a Toyota Cressida, there is just enough room for it to fit into The Hilux engine compartment, but you have to make sure that the cooling system is 100% correct, extra electric cooling fans have to be fitted, as well as a BMW radiator, an oil cooler will also help if fitted correctly.

We have this engine fitted in The TOY Project which belongs to Ronny, but luckily we have an automatic gearbox fitted as well, but that is another article that will be written.
These types of engines are rather cheap, can be purchased from most import engine businesses around South Africa, luckily this one that is fitted in this Hilux is one of the original Toyota Cressida vehicles.

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EFI Turbo Diesel from a Toyota Surf

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This type of engine is not seen much here in South Africa, these types of Toyota vehicles are fully imported, I have no idea how this one came into South Africa, but it is owned by one of our fellow club members.

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Hi Ronny
This is a very helpful article. Can you also post comments on the 2.4 and 2.8 diesels?

That 22R engine looks exactly like the one that was used in the 2.4 Cresida. Those engines are almost indestructible.
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The 2.8 Diesel

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Here we have a photo of the 2.8 diesel, we had the top cover off to check and adjust the valve clearences while we were busy servicing the Hilux, this engine is in Ronny's 1996 Toyota Hilux single cab, but it has the local gearmax rear axle fitted, for some reason or the other they fitted these axles, if I am correct the axles have a ratio of 4.55, the imported axles have a ratio of 4.875.

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Same engine from a different angle

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I will ask Ronny for some fuel consumption details and post them here. :arrow:
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i have this motor in a 98 d/c. get about 8.5km/l around town.
there is a a tapped hole in the exhaust manifold on the 3rd cylinder, anyone know if it is for a lamda sensor of egt gauge or what? and is there any point to an egt gauge on a naturally aspirated motor, as far as helping fuel consumption or showing an overheat/ temp increase more effectively than the water temp gauge? i know the water temp sensors are too high in these bakkies and you can have the water level below the sensor before the temp increases, my motor was cooked this way before i had it. apparently some cruisers have the same issue?
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Re: EFI Turbo Diesel from a Toyota Surf

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SYRON CONVERSIONS wrote:This type of engine is not seen much here in South Africa, these types of Toyota vehicles are fully imported, I have no idea how this one came into South Africa, but it is owned by one of our fellow club members.

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These engines can be bought from the Japanese Engine Importers. The same guys that I bought my 7M-GE motor from. I already saw a few Hiluxes with them fitted.
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Hello Benhur This guy has been out a few times with his Surf, he is still a knewbie to do with 4x4's, but the engine sounds good and seems to perform well, if you have a photo of a 2.4 diesel, please post it here.

Also some of the newer Hilux engines.
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Hi Benhur, do you know if that imported turbo diesel needs an engine management system to be fitted? If it do, do you buy it with the engine?
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I have no idea

Try phoning them. Try TV2 Spares, Rebel Motor Spares, Jap Engine Importers

With the 7MGE you must get the management system separate. I had a Mr Turbo on mine and I think that is partly to blame for my engine failure ( we could not tune it to get rid of the ping at low RPM.) I got hold of an original 7MGE computer but now I need to find an airflow meter for a Supra or GLi-6 Cressida, since it does not use a map sensor like the Mr Turbo.
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Have you posted an ad at the "wanted" section yet?
see viewforum.php?f=16
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rather get the cressida unit. the engine map on the supra unit will be for lots of top end go fast power, not the best in your SFA lux.
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I do not think the ECUs will differ much since the GLi Cressida was also not baised towards "bakkie type" torque. That is why If I see a problem I will add a Dastek Unichip. :wink:
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Quote " have this motor in a 98 d/c. get about 8.5km/l around town.
there is a a tapped hole in the exhaust manifold on the 3rd cylinder, anyone know if it is for a lamda sensor of egt gauge or what"

Yes it is, i have a after market turbo and the sensor screws straight in.
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I have a 1998 2.8d D/C. I was just thinking... what engine do i have? I always thought I had a 3L but in the manual the 3L is a petrol engine?
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its definately the 3L. The 'L' series are all diesels with basically identical blocks. 2L = 2.4D, 3L = 2.8D, 5L = 3000D or 3.0D-E(came out in the IFS hilux-initially turbo charged, these didnt last, which led to the introduction of the KZ-TE).

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L, aka 1L, 2.2L normally aspirated
2L, pre-1988, 2.4L normally aspirated
2L-T, pre-1988, 2.4L turbo
2LII, post-1988, 2.4L normally aspirated. Same block as the original 2L, but totally different otherwise. Different head, different timing belt/pulleys. Still referred to as just "2L" by official Toyota literature/manuals, but enthusiasts usually refer to it as the 2LII to distinguish it from the original 2L.
2LII-T, post-1988, 2.4L turbo. Same notes as the 2LII.
2L-TE -- 2.4L turbo /w EFI. Mechanically, the same as the 2LII-T, but with electronically controlled injection. You can turn a 2L-TE into a 2LII-T by replacing the the EFI unit with a mechanical injection pump from a 2LII-T. Lots more wiring involved if using this engine for a swap, but several have been completed successfully.
3L -- 2.8L normally aspirated.
5L -- 3.0L normally aspirated.

Engine Type Valv/Cyl Year Disp. BHP Torque Bore Stroke CR stock boost
[*=JIS] [lb ft] [mm or inches]
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N series (4 cylinders, 1.5L)

1N SOHC 2 87- 1453* 54@5200 67@3000 74 84.5 22:1
1N 2 97 1453 55@5200 66@3000 JP Starlet
1N-T 2 87- 1453 67@4700 96@2600 74 84.5 22:1
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C series (4 cylinders, 1.8-2.0L): Carina RWD, Corolla RWD, Camry

1C SOHC 2 82-90+ 1839 63@4700 87@2600 83 85 23:1
1C 86 1839* 68@4700 90@2600 83 85 23:1
1C 86 1839 58@4500 78@2800 83 85 23:1
1C-T 83-85 1839
2C 83- 1974 73@4700 98@3000 86 85 23:1
2C 86 1974* 75@4700 97@2600 86 85 23:1
2C 86 1974 70@4700 94@2600 86 85 23:1
2C-T 86 1974* 88@4500 123@2400 86 85 23:1
2C-T 86 1974 85@4500 120@2400 86 85 23:1 EU
2C-T 86 1974 80@4500 117@2400 86 85 23:1 US
2C-T 85-90+ 1974 83@4500 129@2000 86 85 23:1
3C-TE 99 2184 94@4000 152@2200 86 94 22.6:1
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CD series (inline 4, 2l)

1CD-FTV DOHC 4 00 1995 110@4000 185@2000-2400 82.2 94 Finland

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J series (4 cylinders, 2.4-2.5L)

J 64-69 2336
2J 69-82 2481
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L series (4 cylinders, 2.2-2.8L)

L 77-86 2188 72@4200 105@2000 90 86 21.5:1
2L SOHC 2 86 2446* 83@4000 123@2400 92 92 22.3:1
2L SOHC 2 84- 2446* 83@4200 122@2400 92 92 21:1
2L-T SOHC 2 82- 2446* 92@4000 159@2400 92 92 22.2:1
2L-T SOHC 2 86 2446* 96@4000 141@2400 92 92 20:1
2L-T SOHC 2 86 2446* 105@4000 156@2400 92 92 21:1 (Crown with auto trans)
2L-T SOHC 2 -90+ 2446* 93@4000 159@2400 92 92 20:1
2L-T SOHC 2 2446 85@4000 139@2400
2L-TE 82-84 2446
2L-THE 84- 2446 94@4000 148@2800 92 92 21:1
2L-THE -90+ 2446* 99@3800 163@2400 92 92 21:1
3L 88- 2779 90@4000 139@2400 96 96 22.2:1
5L 99-00? 2986 88@4000 145@2400
5L-E 01-? 2986 98@4200 142@2400

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KZ series (3.0)

1KZ-TE SOHC 2 95 2982 125@3600 219@2000 96 103 21.2:1

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B series (4 cylinders, 3.0-3.7L)

B OHV 2 72-90+ 2977 80@3600 141@2200
11B 85- 2977
2B OHV 2 77-82 3168 93@3600 159@2200 21:1
3B OHV 2 80-90+* 3431 98@3500 167@2200 102 105 20:1 JP version
3B OHV 2 80-90+ 3431 93@3500 163@2200 102 105 20:1 export version, SAE net
3B OHV 2 3431 90@3500 159@2200 102 105 20:1
13B OHV 2 84- 3431
13B-T OHV 2 84-90+ 3431 122@3400 207@2000 102 105 17.6:1
13B-T OHV 2 90* 3431 118@3400 210@2000 102 105 17.6:1 JP version
13B-T OHV 2 84-90 3431 120@3400 210@2000 102 105
14B 88- 3660
15B-F
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PZ series (5 cylinders, 3.5L)

1PZ SOHC 2 ?91- 3469 115@4000 170@2600
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H series (6 cylinders, 3.6-4.2L)

H 67-82 3576
2H OHV 2 82-90 3980 103@3500 177@2000 91 102
12H OHV 2 90 3980 102@3500 178@1800 91 102 20.7:1
12H-T OHV 2 85-90 3980 136@3500 232@1800 91 102 18.6:1
12H-T OHV 2 3980 135@3500 231@2000 91 102

1H-DT SOHC 2 90 4163* 163@4000 268@2000 94 100 18.6:1
1H-DT SOHC 2 91- 4163 165@3600 268@2000 94 100 18.6:1
1H-DFT DOHC 90- 4163 170 280

1HZ SOHC 2 90 4163* 133@4000 207@2200 94 100 22.7:1
1HZ SOHC 2 91- 4163 135@4000 187@2200 94 100

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D series (6 cylinders, 5.9-6.5L)

D 56-74 5890
2D 58- 6494
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One-off engines with no relation to other series

C 59-61 1491
1W (4cyl) 82- 4009 115@3200 203@2000 104 118 17.9:1
EH100 75-78 5871
DQ100 68-75 4507
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thank you, very interesting. Tell me how does the 3Y and 4Y fit into the above explanation
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and the 22R?
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Eng Type Valv/Cyl Valv drv. Disp. BHP Torque Bore Stroke CR
22R SOHC 2 chain 2367 96@4800 129@2800 3.62 3.5 9:1

Not sure on the 3Y and 4Y, couldnt find info on the standard motors, only with EFI and conforming to california emmissions.

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Toyota Engine Codes
Toyota engine codes are split into two sections, the bit before the dash, and the bit after it (eg: 2JZ-GTE).

Before the dash.
The letters signify the "family" or "series" of the engine. The numbers signify a revision of the bottom end (ie: bore, stoke, block). Higher numbers don't necessarily mean a larger block.
For example, the twin turbo engines in modern Supras are the 1JZ-GTE and 2JZ-GTE. The 1JZ is a 2.5L engine, while the 2JZ is a 3.0L. Both are twin turbo inline sixes.

After the dash.
The letters after the dash specify the features of the engine.
G - Wide angle Twin Cam (sportier head)
F - Narrow angle Twin Cam (economical head)
T - Turbocharged
Z - Supercharged
E - Electronic Fuel Injection
U - Emissions control (Japanese)
C - Emissions control (Californian).


Sample Engines And Their Codes
These are a few engines that can be found in our members' cars.
4A-GE: 1.6L DOHC EFI 16V inline four cylinder
4A-GE (20 Valve): 1.6L DOHC EFI 20V inline four cylinder
4A-GZE: 1.6L DOHC EFI 16V supercharged inline four cylinder
7A-FE: 1.8L DOHC EFI 16V inline four cylinder
1G-GTE: 2.0L DOHC EFI 24V intercooled twin turbo inline six cylinder
3/4K-C: 1.3L OHV Carby 8V inline four cylinder (4K block, 3K head)
5M-E: 2.8L SOHC EFI 12V inline six cylinder
7M-GTE: 3.0L DOHC EFI 24V turbocharged inline six cylinder
18R-C: 2.0L SOHC Carby 8V inline four cylinder
18R-GEU: 2.0L DOHC EFI 8V inline four cylinder
3S-GE / 3S-FE: 2.0L DOHC EFI 16V inline four cylinder
3S-GTE: 2.0L DOHC EFI 16V turbocharged inline four cylinder
2T-G: 1.6L DOHC 8V inline four cylinder
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This might help...

Y series (4 cylinders, 1.7-2.3L, 1982-)
Engine Type Valv/Cyl Year Disp. BHP Torque Bore Stroke CR
1Y 82- 1626
2Y 82- 1812
2Y-LPG 82- 1812
3Y 82- 1998
3Y-LPG 82- 1998
3Y-E 82- 1998
3Y-EC 82-84 1998 82@4400 120@3000 3.39 3.39 8.8:1
3Y-EC 85-86 1998 90@4400 120@3000 3.39 3.39 8.8:1
3Y-E 98 1998 97@4800 119@3800 3.39 3.39 8.8:1
3Y-E 1998 110@5200 124@2600 3.39 3.39 9.0:1
4Y 85- 2237
4Y-E 85- 2237
4Y-EC 93 2237 102 154


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New Engine 3Y-4Y

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I have a 1985 Hilux 4X4 with a 3Y engine; it has done 300 000 + still going but needs an overall. I am considering installing a 4Y engine one of the cheap new engines available from a local dealer. It comes with crab, distributer, starter, and alternator all including a clutch kit. Price around R8000.00
Will the 4Y fit witout any modification.
I am fairly new to this and would appreciate some valuable feedback...
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Will it fit?

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If I am correct, your vehicle has a four speed gearbox, I may be wrong, but I do not think the 4y will fit, I will have a chat with a friend who knows more about these Hilux vehicle's than I do and see what he says and then let you know. But maybe an adapter plate is required.
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You can also ask the people who sells the engines. And shop around, I heard of much cheaper prices than R8k. Why not look for a fuel injected model while you spending?
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The Gearbox is a 5 Speed. The Hilux is a single cab not the very old one with the round wheel arch’s...This Hilux has slightly squire wheel arches....The Hilux looks more or less the same as the first Double Cab on the picture at the top of this (Hilux Off-road Adventure and modifications Page) only this one is a single cab.

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Hi Choppie,

My '86 4x2 SC was originally fitted with a 2.4D engine, although when I bought the vehicle the conversion had already been done. It now features the 3Y engine and has a 5-speed gearbox, not sure if it is an original box or not.

Here is a photo of her, with a view depicting the mudguard shape:

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The '87 DC 4x4 has a Midas "Chinese 4Y" engine in it, which was complete but without the alternator. Fitting this in place of the Toyota 4Y engine was straightforward enough, although I seem to recall we changed one of the engine mounts and re-fitted the original fan, because its blades were slightly bigger than the replacement engine's fan.

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I have just this week removed the Chinese carburettor and fitted a s/h Weber 36, because the standard carb as supplied with the Chinese engine has very thirst jets fitted, which are not directly interchangeable with local SA jets. The thread size is far larger.

Note the different mudguard moulding:

Midas sell the engine for around R7600 and Autozone had one for R7000, presumably the same engine.

When I bought mine, Midas also had a Chinese 3Y engine for sale, without the carb and other accessories, for about R5000 or perhaps a bit less. Interestingly, it was the exact same block that the 4Y has, one could even see the markings where they removed the 4Y markings!



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Choppie, you stay in the right place for bargains.
Buy yourself a Junk Mail (not online version, the real thing) and then look for the ads of the Jap Imports. I know there are guys in the east rand with amazing prices, I think they are also called Jap Imports or something like that. I am sure you will pic it up for R5k to R6k. The guys in Pretoria are no good, they always more expensive.
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This is the Hilux I intend to upgrade to a 4Y motor.
The model: 1985 4X4, 5 Speed with 3Y motor.
I got it brand spanking new of the Showroom Floor in 1985 for R16 500, 00 with Fat takkies and the bars....Including GST.
It has given me good service over the last 20 year...Got stuck 2 times Once without petrol and the other due to some electrical fault caused by misty conditions in the Eastern Cape (fault even resolved itself)
Thank you for the valuable feedback. I will definitely shop around for a better buy and of course I woud rather go for the fuel injection model.
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I can not help noticing when looking at the pic’s of all the different engines installed, that the 3Y does not fill up the engine compartment space nearly as much as the other engines. I always felt that the 2 liter motor was a little weak for such n huge body especially if you consider the gearbox size. I can not help wondering if the 4 Y will be much of an improvement, but on the other hand the price is good.
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Talk about filling up an engine compartment, this is my 3.0 Cressida engine in my 96 Lux.

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Hi Bennie, there is also a red Hilux with 7MGE motor in Langebaan. I had a look at it the other day. The engine fits so nicely in it, it almost seems like a factory fit. I am sure if it was 3 cm longer it would not have fit.
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Hello Benhur

Have a look at the 2nd photo of this thread, not a very clear photo, but if you look on the left hand side of the photo, you will see a small valve which is incorperated into the air intake system, on Ronny's Hilux that has the 7MGE engine fitted, the air intake system facing the engine from the front, the system and air filter housing is on your left, we want to fit a snorkel to this vehicle, but with this electronic valve and control box, it is unsuitable where it is now, this control box is a sort of sensor, ideas or comments please, will look for better photo's.

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Why don't you just change it to look the same as Bennie's?

Bennie, I like thise steel radiator hoses, guess they will last longer than the rubber ones.
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Last year maybe in fact two years back we bought this engine from Authur, he had it in his Hilux, but removed it and fitted a 7MGE Fuel injection engine instead, there is nothing wrong with this engine, it was a running engine and vehicle before he removed it, it is complete with special fuel injection aor intake system, however it has been slightly stripped and the special parts packed away in boxes to protect them.

We are keeping this engine for a future project for the swb Hilux.

We were also lucky to get a Wild Cat branch with the engine.

We also haver the computor box and system for this engine.
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pietpetoors wrote:Hi Bennie, there is also a red Hilux with 7MGE motor in Langebaan. I had a look at it the other day. The engine fits so nicely in it, it almost seems like a factory fit. I am sure if it was 3 cm longer it would not have fit.
Sorry for only replying to this now. I somehow missed your and Simon's posts.

Ja it is quite a tight fit. I had to cut the cradlle a bit to make the KB 280DT radiator fit. I am planning to fit a BMW 730i Radiator and it will mean that I will have to cut the craddle soem more and maybe the slam tray too. I am thinking to maybe do a 50 mm body lift and then the slamtray would not have to be cut too much. One day when I am off my back again... :cry: :cry:
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SYRON CONVERSIONS wrote:Hello Benhur

Have a look at the 2nd photo of this thread, not a very clear photo, but if you look on the left hand side of the photo, you will see a small valve which is incorperated into the air intake system, on Ronny's Hilux that has the 7MGE engine fitted, the air intake system facing the engine from the front, the system and air filter housing is on your left, we want to fit a snorkel to this vehicle, but with this electronic valve and control box, it is unsuitable where it is now, this control box is a sort of sensor, ideas or comments please, will look for better photo's.

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Your engine coming from a Cressida differs slightly from mine and Arthur’s, being imported Supra engines. Ours have a longer throttle body that goes over the head and you have to strip it out of the way to get to the spark plugs :x :x .

Since yours still uses the original Cressida ECU and wiring it uses an airflow sensor to read the volume of air flowing into the engine. Ours using and aftermarket ECU uses a more modern way to determine the airflow parameters and that is by means of a MAP sensor. Manifold Absolute Pressure is measured behind the throttle butterfly whereas Airflow (yours) is measured before the butterfly.

So that unit to the left of your picture looks like it is the airflow sensor and is an integral part of your injection system unfortunately. But I am sure that from there a pipe runs to your air cleaner and if you connect the snorkel before the air cleaner as it should go, it would not influence the airflow meter. Your only problem is that you will have to modify the routing of the air pipes to get it to fit where it should.

The only other difference between the Cressida and Supra engines I picked up so far is the alternator. The Cressida uses a locally manufactured Bosch or Lucas radiator and the Supra uses a Denso alternator.
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pietpetoors wrote:Why don't you just change it to look the same as Bennie's?
His has an airflow meter in which mine does not have. Refer to my previous post.

pietpetoors wrote:Bennie, I like thise steel radiator hoses, guess they will last longer than the rubber ones.
I do not like to join rubber hoses if not necessary. I could not find the exact rubber pipe to fit there, so I had to manufacture something. It is actually not steel but copper plumbing pipe.

One a previous transplant I did (1400 Datsun engine into a Baja Bug) I had to have longish pipes and got an exhaust place to bend it from stainless steel exhaust pipe. But when I later wanted to modify the system it was difficult to weld s/steel.

With the copper you can solder it with a mild flame and plumbers solder and flux. You can buy the bends as well so it is fairly easy to manufacture and can easily withstand the system pressure and it does not rust. (Older radiators were made the same way)

Now I can buy and piece of pipe at a spares shop with a 90 deg bend in it and cut it to size. The outlet of the radiator is also only a 2 inch straight piece that fits onto a copper piece that house the E-fans switch and another short piece onto the engine. This way I will never be stuck in the bundus having to find a special piece of pipe. :wink: :wink:
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With The TOY PROJECT Ronny & I have decided that we will not be re-fitting the radiator in front are you now :?

We have purchased a truck radiator and will be fitting it behind the cab body lying down, but you will have to rwad about this in that other thread.
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Ive seen you mentioning it before but that is a bit extreme for me. I want my keep my bakkie as close to the origional design layout as possible :wink:
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I eventually managed to get the 4Y , Looks exactly the same as the 3Y . Seems the only modification will be the heater pipes and the electrical connections (Carb & Distributor) . The 3Y has points and it seems the 4Y has Electronic ignition . I will need to use the old engine mounting brackets ,as the ones that came with are for the HIACE.
Cost so far : Engine including clutch R6450.00 , Thrust Bearing R95.00 , Engine Mountings Set R135.00 Helps to phone around , Thanks Piet.
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Cool 8) 8) 8)

Glad to hear everything is coming along good. So when will she be running :?:

:idea: :idea: Pieter seeying that you are the ex Golf man, don't you or one of your Gauteng Golf buddies have a spare carb laying around that Choppie can try out in this engine while he is still busy sorting out the engine, so that we can once and for all see if it really works or not. :idea: :idea:

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I eventually managed to get the 4Y , Looks exactly the same as the 3Y . Seems the only modification will be the heater pipes and the electrical connections (Carb & Distributor) . The 3Y has points and it seems the 4Y has Electronic ignition . I will need to use the old engine mounting brackets ,as the ones that came with are for the HIACE.
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Choppie,

You will have to change the starter as well. The Chinese Hi-Ace starter has a nipple at the end that catches on the bell-housing, the original Hilux 4Y engine does not have this nipple.

I also changed the viscous fans around as well, for the simple reason the old 4Y fan had different shaped blades on that were closer to the radiator core than the new one.

I also removed the new Chinese carburettor because the jets seemed far too large, resulting in putrid petrol consumption. The Chinese car has jets that have an odd thread and you cannot simply replace them with standard-sized jets. You will be required to drill out the hole in the carb and fit a bush, before drilling and tapping with the correct jets. The local jet bodies are much smaller than the Chinese ones.

Another option which some people seem to have good results with, is to fit a Golf 2 carburettor and spacer, available from Midas or similar spares shop for less than R1000. I was intending going this way but fitted a second-hand Weber 36/36 instead, at a cost of R1,500.00. I have not yet had the opportunity to test for consumption, but performance with normal driving seems good and it sounds rather nice too.

Other than that, I am very happy with my Chinese 4Y engine, have only done some 3,000Km or so in it but I am confident it is good for another 297,000Km :D :D

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:? Problem.......I installed the old carb (3Y), fits perfectly, the throttle an choke cables just clips on 100%....but now there is only 1 vacuum outlet on the 3Y carb an 2 outlets on the 4Y carb, The New distributor has 2 ports Question witch on do I use and do I just block of the other or should I rather install a new single port vacuum unit to the new distributor. Your feedback will be highly appreciated
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Hi Choppie,

FWIW, I have just snapped these photos of my Hilux 4Y engine. It was dark outside and I never had a torch with me, so I just aimed and snapped abd hoped for the best.

First Pic: Weber Carb, only one vacuum outlet
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Thank you Family_Dog, I think your photo's is still better than mine...

The new Vacuum unit on the 4Y has 2 ports...

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I was thinking to use the ouside port and block off the inside.....But I have no idee if this is correct.... :?
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Open the Dizzy and then attach a pipe onto the one side, suck on the pipe and observe the movement inside the dizzy. If it sucks air via the other hole then block it off. MNow do the same wot the other hole. You should now be able to figure out what the difference is between the two and see whivh one is the best to use. :wink:
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OK. I have sorted out the vacuum and advance. It does not matter if I block the extra hole or not, it also does not matter witch hole to use the operation stays the same….So I decided to split the pipe use a T connection and feed both the ports on the vacuum unit with the single port on the carb….
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Toyota 3Y to Chinese 4Y Conversion

:? Another Problem.......Distributor, Coil, Resistor Electrical Connection.

The 3Y uses a standard conventional Coil and Ballast Resistor configuration...........While searching where to connect the HT Lead from the coil I realized after a lot of confusion that the distributor has a built in coil. There are 2 wires coming from the Distributor 1, a brown from the condenser and 2, a black from inside the distributor. I gather the brown must connect to the green plug that use to go to the old condenser on the 3Y distributor….. The black should connect to the ballast resister feeding the old coil…..My question is , Should I still use the resister on the Electronic Ignition on the 4Y distributor….???
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I should think not... the electronic ignition should not need the resistor. The purpose of the resistor was to enable a coil with a lower primary voltage to be applied to the primary winding, which would be one takes into consideration the voltage drop caused when cranking the engine. When the engine is running, the resistor is in series with the coil, when starting, it is by-passed, allowing the coil to provide spark from a lower DC voltage. With the electronic ignition, the entire process is more highly regulated and no resistor is required.

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If I am not mistaking you need a new high voltage coil as well :?
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Bennie,

The coil is built in to the Electronic Ignition module, so there is no 'outside' coil required.

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I cannot help but wonder how much better that Hilux would look if it was parked in my driveway! :mrgreen: :twisted: :D


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Hilux 3Y to 4Y Conversion.

:D Started up for the first time today, Running smooth.
:oops: Got confused with the wiring of the Distributor, at the end it boils down to just 2 wires +12V and Ground.
So simple but I managed to mess it up. The distributor on the 4Y is quite an upgrade , It houses all the Ignition Components, Pickup Coil ,Igniters’ , Ignition Coil the complete box and dice, Impressive if you use to the old conventional Ignition coil and mechanical points.
I have some minor problems, Water leak on one of the heater hoses where it goes to the inside of the cab.
Running hotter than it use to....Could be due to the water loss or my be the transducer is for a difference heat range. Orrrrrr….. may be due to the new fan

But at this stage I am very happy will sort out over the next couple of days.

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Choppie wrote:Could be due to the water loss or my be the transducer is for a difference heat range. Orrrrrr….. may be due to the new fan
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Make sure you get the heat sorted quickly as that is an engine killer.

The thermister for all the engines i.e. 2/3/4Y and 22R is the same and have the same resistance values. Even on my 7MGE engine it had two and eventhough they are 2 wire devices (not grounded on the unit's chassis) The create the same reading on my heat gauge if I connect them.

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Running hotter than it use to....Could be due to the water loss or my be the transducer is for a difference heat range. Orrrrrr….. may be due to the new fan
Choppie,

The replacement 4Y engine's fan blades were not the same shape as my original fan blades, which had a sort of "L" shape with the result that the fan blades were closer to the radiator. I simply changed fans, no over-heating at all. Make sure you do not have an airlock, and remember to put anti-freeze in as well.

I also had a small water leak with the pipe that goes to the heater in the cab, had to use brute force to really tighten it. Be wise also to replace your radiator cap. You could also take the vehicle in for a pressure test on the cooling system, most places won't even charge for that.

-F_D
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FM, your SFA looks in very good shape. The best I have seen to date (I know you can not judge from a pic).
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Hi Niel,

You say the nicest things! Image

The vehicle is a 1987 model, had three other registration numbers before I bought it, but had been well-cared for by the last owner from whom I bought. It had done over 303,000Km with the original engine & suspension. The engine had some piston slap and was using a bit of oil. But the first thing I did was to fit OME suspension all round, middle January this year. A good move, because one of the front shocks had sheared off completely with the shaft having snapped off at the top of the shock - this explained the occasional clunk that I heard when turning over uneven ground. Some two weeks later, OME offered a 30% discount on ALL suspensions, missed the special by two weeks :(

Then I removed the engine and fitted a Midas Chinese-built 4Y engine. Absolutely nothing wrong with this new engine, all we did extra was to swap the original starter (the new one does not quite fit), one engine mount, and the fan, due to a slightly different fan blade design. Oh yes, my car had a banana branch exhaust, so we swapped exhaust manifolds as well. I also removed the Chinese-built carb in favour of a Weber 36/36, much more economical and feels better too.

While registering the SFA with the new engine (*a* process - wasted three hours :( ) I discovered that persons unknown had taken a liking to my Hilux sometime in 1999 (before both the previous owner I and had the vehicle) and it was stolen. This explains why no Manufacturer's Tag in the engine bay. However, it was recovered shortly afterwards and now has Police clearance. No big sweat, they this lowers the resale value, but like I care! :mrgreen: I will never sell this vehicle, will sell the IFS model first!

I have since overhauled the original engine (should never have bothered with the re-registration!!) and will keep it as spare. I really love this vehicle and its 4Y engine, they just seem to be the perfect match. More than capable for my needs, but then I doubt I would ever tow anything for any appreciable distance, will use the 2.7i for that.

Other than that, the SFA is in excellent shape, the brakes, including hand brake, are 100%, the upholstery is brilliant and the only internal signs of wear are the grab handles on the doors & the little plastic bevels for the locking mechanism, which I have since replaced. There are no rattles of any kind. The dashboard is in as-new condition, and it worried me that I made three small holes in it to mount the microphone clip for my VHF radio.

Oh, and I did replace the original BB, typical of the ones that Toyota favoured at the time. Very heavy, but the headlights reflected off it at night and I found this irritating. Replaced with a NudgeM, but it was touch & go between that and the ARB. Next upgrade will be rock sliders and possibly a different rear bumper, still thinking about that one.


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Re: Photo's of the various engines used in Hilux's, pros & c

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:D The temperature stays constant now, In the center of the gage....I am pretty sure it was just an airlock, I had to replace the old radiator, it was never serviced in 20 years....so it was time...New Radiator and cap, I have also put in anti-freeze but I will need to put more as I just can not win with the dam leak.
The water leak is caused by a small hole in the copper pipe going in to the cab underneath the dash......
If I can not get it fixed from the Engine compartment I will have to go without the heater as...there is no way I am taking the dash apart.. :lol: .. but I am sure I will be able get it fixed....
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Re: Photo's of the various engines used in Hilux's, pros & c

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If there is a hole on the outside, the inside is soon to follow. I had mine replaced as well. I was actually amased to see how bad the portion on inside was corroded when the pipes sticking out did not look too bad. You have a choice of either bypassing it altogether with no working heater at all or replace the complete unit.
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