Choosing a locally made Bullbar
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Choosing a locally made Bullbar
I've trawled through the forum, and thought it best to start a new topic here.
Enjoyed the thread about building your own ARB bumper. We have considered modding our current bumper, but are also considering some of the locally made options. So far I have investigated Nudge-m, Nomad4x4, Snyman4x4, Desert Stormer and Burnco bumpers.
Based on the feedback so far I am looking at the Desert Stormer or Burnco option.
Question1: Any feedback on the bullbars these places make (Bennie - did you modify your Desert Stormer successfully?).
Question2: How important is it to make sure airflow through the radiator insn't restricted? Mechanics I speak to freak out when I start speaking about bumpers and additonal lights - they think it will choke up the flow of air.
Specifically, check this out:
The Burnco bumper and Desert Stormer look quite similar, but the Desert Stormer seems to have some air-vents at the bottom off the bar. If I look at my Hilux it looks like there are three important places air goes through: 1. The big grill at the top in front of the radiator 2. Behind the licence plate ( guess it doesn't suck much air!!) and 3. There is the long narrow vent just visible above our current long, thin bar. So should I be worried? Would both bars, with lights in the A-frame allow enough air to pass through? Most Hilux guys say they don't experience overheating problems with BBars, but surely even a slight increase in temperature will affect fuel consumption and engine-life over time?
Your feedback would be greatly appreciated :)
(And if any of you want to know what quotes I've received, feel free to send me a PM)
Enjoyed the thread about building your own ARB bumper. We have considered modding our current bumper, but are also considering some of the locally made options. So far I have investigated Nudge-m, Nomad4x4, Snyman4x4, Desert Stormer and Burnco bumpers.
Based on the feedback so far I am looking at the Desert Stormer or Burnco option.
Question1: Any feedback on the bullbars these places make (Bennie - did you modify your Desert Stormer successfully?).
Question2: How important is it to make sure airflow through the radiator insn't restricted? Mechanics I speak to freak out when I start speaking about bumpers and additonal lights - they think it will choke up the flow of air.
Specifically, check this out:
The Burnco bumper and Desert Stormer look quite similar, but the Desert Stormer seems to have some air-vents at the bottom off the bar. If I look at my Hilux it looks like there are three important places air goes through: 1. The big grill at the top in front of the radiator 2. Behind the licence plate ( guess it doesn't suck much air!!) and 3. There is the long narrow vent just visible above our current long, thin bar. So should I be worried? Would both bars, with lights in the A-frame allow enough air to pass through? Most Hilux guys say they don't experience overheating problems with BBars, but surely even a slight increase in temperature will affect fuel consumption and engine-life over time?
Your feedback would be greatly appreciated :)
(And if any of you want to know what quotes I've received, feel free to send me a PM)
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Hi Scotty
I a busy having a bumper built similar to the bars you have mentioned at a local engineer. Cost of which will be about R3000 all the mounting will be done in 10mm plate with 10 high tensile bolts that plate will also in clude recovery eyes. I am busy thinking the same thing and I will have vents made in the sloped area at the bottom and will maybe make deflectors behind to chanel the air in to the radiator
CM
I a busy having a bumper built similar to the bars you have mentioned at a local engineer. Cost of which will be about R3000 all the mounting will be done in 10mm plate with 10 high tensile bolts that plate will also in clude recovery eyes. I am busy thinking the same thing and I will have vents made in the sloped area at the bottom and will maybe make deflectors behind to chanel the air in to the radiator
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
I tested the effect of the bulbar on my vehicle and it has no influence on engine temperature at all.
I was also told that the bulbar was the causing the problem that I had with the engine running hot. I then experimented to see how much effect the bulbar had to the engine temperature. I first made a little scoop with plate underneath the bulbar to force airflow upwards and thought the radiator. It did not make any difference at all to the engine temperature. At one stage I totally removed the BB and drove without it for 2 weeks. Still no difference. During the hottest weeks in summer last year the engine temperature remained at 92 degrees on my digital temperature meter, which is correct according to the thermostat and the service manuals for the Supra engine. My problem with heat hat to do with the aircon condenser generating too much heat which was then transferred to the radiator behind it. If I did not use the aircon I experienced no problems with overheating
I will modify my bumper after the body lift and the new radiator is fitted.
I was also told that the bulbar was the causing the problem that I had with the engine running hot. I then experimented to see how much effect the bulbar had to the engine temperature. I first made a little scoop with plate underneath the bulbar to force airflow upwards and thought the radiator. It did not make any difference at all to the engine temperature. At one stage I totally removed the BB and drove without it for 2 weeks. Still no difference. During the hottest weeks in summer last year the engine temperature remained at 92 degrees on my digital temperature meter, which is correct according to the thermostat and the service manuals for the Supra engine. My problem with heat hat to do with the aircon condenser generating too much heat which was then transferred to the radiator behind it. If I did not use the aircon I experienced no problems with overheating
I will modify my bumper after the body lift and the new radiator is fitted.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Hi Scotty
I have the Burnco bumper.I have not experience any heat difference.
Regards
George
I have the Burnco bumper.I have not experience any heat difference.
Regards
George
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Hi Scotty,
I have never had over-heating problems in either of these vehicles, which would have shown up with slow
rock-crawling.
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I have never had over-heating problems in either of these vehicles, which would have shown up with slow
rock-crawling.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Hi Scotty, I also have a NudgeM bull bar, the same as Family Dog's. I have no heating problems at all. I had a look at various of these bumpers and to me the NudgeM is one of the nicest ones round.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Is yours a "fully integrated" bumper? (The air bag thing)
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Eish, I do not know. Was on the bakkie when I bought it. All I know is it has place for the winch as well which leaves three extra big holes in the front that can help with air flowing to the radiator.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
In 1999, only the Raider (we're talking DC, 4x4 here, don't know about any other Raiders) came out with Airbags, so my guess is that Piet's BB is (should be) Airbag compatible. My ARB definitely is.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Thanks for the feedback. Still working out what to do.
Here is another thought........(question more like!)
Is it better to have a lower bullbar? Pro's - protection from lower-lying solid objects.....like warthogs? Con's worse approach angle.
Or better to have a higher bullbar? Better approach angle, but things like small antelope etc. might pass right under the bar and get to know the sump/ front diff a bit better.
And is it just me or are fewer Hilux guys fitting Bullbars with "ears"
Here is another thought........(question more like!)
Is it better to have a lower bullbar? Pro's - protection from lower-lying solid objects.....like warthogs? Con's worse approach angle.
Or better to have a higher bullbar? Better approach angle, but things like small antelope etc. might pass right under the bar and get to know the sump/ front diff a bit better.
And is it just me or are fewer Hilux guys fitting Bullbars with "ears"
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Hello Scotty (just given Scotty a piece of cheese) my jack Russel. :)
Concerning the subject concerning ventilation holes for the air flow to the radiator, there are pros and con's to have these holes, let me explain why:
First of all, a person will find it difficult to actually clean the sections of the radiator surrounding these holes, mud and other debri will be forced through these holes and cause worse cooling compared to not having them, thus this is why on my front bumper that
SYRON CONVERSIONS manufactured no additional holes were made in the design.
I do not experience any overheating problems with this front bumper fitted.
When an after market front bumper is fitted to a vehicle, you have to decide what options you want to have, either that the air bags will not function correctly or you would rather have the protection of the front bumper instead, airbags might protect you in an accident however they also have negative aspects to remember.
Now concerning front bumpers on vehicles, the basic bottom line to remember is the actual fitment of the bumper, how, where and what crumple zones have been thought about.
It would be interesting to actually see the results of the various tests that have been carried out that the various brand named after market bumpers actually still allow the air bags to activate, yes I know that it is also a sensor that activates the actual air bag, But
what is important is the factor of Time
that it takes to activate the air bag, from the point of impact to protecting the various parts of the human body from injury.
However some people just fit these aftermarket front bumpers because they look good macho feeling, image to uphold etc
Some people fit them because some front bumpers also have the correct mounting points for the fitment of winches and also the jacking points for various other applications.
If it is a Landrover, it would have to have both front and rear recovery points fitted
Some people fit a tow ball to the front of their vehicle for the launching of boats and sometimes if they want to move a caravan or trailer into place.
Depending on the application and usage of the vehicle concerned, will determine if the front bumper can be fitted low or heigher, however body lifts also have to be considered when the fitment of these aftermarket bumpers are fitted.
On some vehicle's, these front bumpers will shorten the Life Span of the front suspension of a vehicle, espicially vehicle's that have independant fron suspension fitted, the vehicle's shocks will also take more of a hammering and another item to remember, if you fit other shocks to your vehicle, the garantee period might not be awarded if you have an aftermarket front bumper fitted this is a "Loophole" that the supplier ofr the shocks can use if you experience any failures with the shocks.
If you do fit the bumper heigher up, you could also consider the fitment of an under belly rock slider which will protect your engine sump from damage caused from small animals or rocky terrain.
I do not like the "ears" that sometimes come out on these front bumpers, reason been, they sometimes disturb the rays of your headlights, in other words distortion takes place.
One other thing, do not chrome your front bumper, it will blind you when the sun rays hit it at certain angles.
Concerning the subject concerning ventilation holes for the air flow to the radiator, there are pros and con's to have these holes, let me explain why:
First of all, a person will find it difficult to actually clean the sections of the radiator surrounding these holes, mud and other debri will be forced through these holes and cause worse cooling compared to not having them, thus this is why on my front bumper that
SYRON CONVERSIONS manufactured no additional holes were made in the design.
I do not experience any overheating problems with this front bumper fitted.
When an after market front bumper is fitted to a vehicle, you have to decide what options you want to have, either that the air bags will not function correctly or you would rather have the protection of the front bumper instead, airbags might protect you in an accident however they also have negative aspects to remember.
Now concerning front bumpers on vehicles, the basic bottom line to remember is the actual fitment of the bumper, how, where and what crumple zones have been thought about.
It would be interesting to actually see the results of the various tests that have been carried out that the various brand named after market bumpers actually still allow the air bags to activate, yes I know that it is also a sensor that activates the actual air bag, But
what is important is the factor of Time
that it takes to activate the air bag, from the point of impact to protecting the various parts of the human body from injury.
However some people just fit these aftermarket front bumpers because they look good macho feeling, image to uphold etc
Some people fit them because some front bumpers also have the correct mounting points for the fitment of winches and also the jacking points for various other applications.
If it is a Landrover, it would have to have both front and rear recovery points fitted
Some people fit a tow ball to the front of their vehicle for the launching of boats and sometimes if they want to move a caravan or trailer into place.
Depending on the application and usage of the vehicle concerned, will determine if the front bumper can be fitted low or heigher, however body lifts also have to be considered when the fitment of these aftermarket bumpers are fitted.
On some vehicle's, these front bumpers will shorten the Life Span of the front suspension of a vehicle, espicially vehicle's that have independant fron suspension fitted, the vehicle's shocks will also take more of a hammering and another item to remember, if you fit other shocks to your vehicle, the garantee period might not be awarded if you have an aftermarket front bumper fitted this is a "Loophole" that the supplier ofr the shocks can use if you experience any failures with the shocks.
If you do fit the bumper heigher up, you could also consider the fitment of an under belly rock slider which will protect your engine sump from damage caused from small animals or rocky terrain.
I do not like the "ears" that sometimes come out on these front bumpers, reason been, they sometimes disturb the rays of your headlights, in other words distortion takes place.
One other thing, do not chrome your front bumper, it will blind you when the sun rays hit it at certain angles.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
My bullbar has the "ears" and it is chrome.
Regarding the "ears" disturbance of the light rays: My bumper has integrated spotlights fitted.
These are adjusted to the outside to compensate for the disturbance, which BTW is only in close proximity to the vehicle, to the sides.
I also fitted larger spotlights with 100W globes(Don't tell the authorities)
Re the chrome that reflects the sun: This is also true. I just went out and I took of my sunglasses. Reflection is not lekka.
Solution: wear sunglasses.
BTW even with the spotlights fitted I have not noted a difference in the temperature. So I guess both are safe.
Regarding the "ears" disturbance of the light rays: My bumper has integrated spotlights fitted.
These are adjusted to the outside to compensate for the disturbance, which BTW is only in close proximity to the vehicle, to the sides.
I also fitted larger spotlights with 100W globes(Don't tell the authorities)
Re the chrome that reflects the sun: This is also true. I just went out and I took of my sunglasses. Reflection is not lekka.
Solution: wear sunglasses.
BTW even with the spotlights fitted I have not noted a difference in the temperature. So I guess both are safe.
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Re: Choosing a locally made Bullbar
Die is my ONCA wat ek laat opsit het met n bietjie modifikasies soos die twee ligte is nie standaard nie.
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