Solid axle swop

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:58 pm

I finally decided to go the SAS route on my 2.7. My previous Lux was a 2.2 SFA, and the axle articulation was fantastic

Compare this to the IFS articulation (or the lack thereof...)

Point of no return: the IFS is out and the mounting brackets are cut off :roll:

The axle is fitted with the control arms and measured. The control arm brackets are only tack welded.

The axle is refurbished and fitted with control arms and panhard rod.

The 33" wheels are fitted and checked for clearance. Cruiser ventilated discs are fitted with the 2.7 calipers.

Still to be done:
Mounting brackets for shock and coil spring mounts (Cruiser springs & shocks)
Bump stops
Longer brake pipes
Modified prop shaft
Wheel spacers
Steering links
Rear diff ratio to be changed to 3.875:1. This will provide me with near standard gearing with the 33's, and the speedo should be fairly accurate.

I will keep you guys posted on progress.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:04 pm

Martin,

This looks like it's going to be something special!

Pic 2,3 & 4 aren't showing (for me) , but the others are.

-F_D

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:09 pm

By my ook Martin, dit se die "beeld is nie bevrugbaar" ...

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:12 pm

Kaspaas wrote:By my ook Martin, dit se die "beeld is nie bevrugbaar" ...

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:17 pm

Sorry, ek het vergeet om die album op Photobox as Public the merk. Hoop dit werk nou

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:20 pm

Die eerste foto wys en die volgende twee is nog 'vrugbaar' soos hy gese het :)

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:45 pm

Ek en 'n PC.........
Hoop julle kan nou die fotos sien. Anders sal ek maar ou Chuck Norris se hulp moet inroep

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:51 pm

Whalla... Presto... Kul jou hier, kul jou daar en siedaar.

Dit lyk asof jy nogal goeie travel gaan kry met daai suspension

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:56 pm

Iemand het iets gedoen en die foudies het vrugte gebaar... Baie nice, daai bakkie gaan baie lekker artikuleer...

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:40 pm

Ek sal like om 'n video te sien van hoe daai suspension werk :)

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:44 pm

Martin

Meer info asseblief. Koop jy 'n kit iewers of waat het jy daai control bars gekry. Gee ook vir ons 'n mooi verslag met al die komponente en hoe dit inmekaar pas.

Miskien kan ons ons betsaande SFA's ook so met 'n coilspring conversion treat.

Post by **CasKru** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:53 pm

BenHurBul wrote:Martin

Meer info asseblief. Koop jy 'n kit iewers of waat het jy daai control bars gekry. Gee ook vir ons 'n mooi verslag met al die komponente en hoe dit inmekaar pas.

Miskien kan ons ons betsaande SFA's ook so met 'n coilspring conversion treat.

Ek sien jy dink in dieselfde lyn as ek :)

Cookie Monster · Post by **Cookie Monster** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:05 pm

Looks great I am sure she will be awsome offroad after this mod

:!:

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:18 am

The conversion is done by Wessel Fourie from 4XTech (which closed doors recently). He uses standard components from mainly Cruisers. The only fabricated parts are the mounting brackets for the control arms and panhard rod and the perches for the coils/shocks. I had to supply the solid axle, he supplies the rest.

He claims that the articulation is better than the standard leaf spring set-up with a much improved on-road ride.

A coil conversion on a SFA Hilux will be a lot easier and cheaper.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:39 am

Could you maybe give us a breakdown of the costs involved? Please!

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:54 am

I had to supply the solid axle and Wessel does the rest for R16.5k

I'm not sure what the quote will be to covert a SFA from leaf to coils.

Wessel can be contacted on 0833204240 for more info.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:04 am

Dit is net so bietjie ver. It would just be nice to know prices should I one day deside to take the plunge and spend some seriuos money :)

Engel · Post by **Engel** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:29 am

Wil al lankal dieselfde doen! Laaik daai range rover control arms!!

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:32 am

Daai wa van jou sal nogal lekker perform met so lift op..... en maklikker recover word :)

Rope access · Post by **Rope access** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:11 pm

Man that is going to be awsome, :) im also interested in converting my SFA with coil springs, i remember someone in the Cape did it and it was on another Forum if possible i will watch this post to see :roll:
Regards
Garth

Post by **Family_Dog** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:55 pm

This post is also starting to tickle my fancy.... Bulldog would look great with coils up in front!

-F_D

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 7:52 am

What would be involved with a coil conversion up front?From what i know doesnt it require trailing arms with coil over springs?

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:28 am

I think you would most probably have to do a cross over steering as well, which might interfere with your V8 mod's sump as well.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:54 pm

Isn't it possible to get a IFS to "roll" at all?
New shocks, springs or whatever you can fit to make it better, or is it only one real way, swop for a SFA?

I'v been looking at a -01 and therefor ISF, but if you guys tell me that there is no way to make a IFS articulate as good as a SFA i will look for a pre -99 (and get a weaker engine, 22r is the only available here and the -01 prolly got the 2.7, 103KW)

And, cash is king as always, so compare what you have to spend to get your SFA articulate good and what you have to spend to get a IFS articulate good.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:59 pm

If you can get a IFS to articulate as much as a SFA the CV's would not last.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:43 pm

BenHurBul wrote:If you can get a IFS to articulate as much as a SFA the CV's would not last.

True!
But the more modern body makes it look better (bad example http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s ) and the more powerful motor does some to.

The negative with the pre -99 is that the 22r is so damn low and that it doesn't have the same look as the facelift, no AC either.

It would be something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s or something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/15540405.htm?ca=1_13_s to start building on.

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:22 am

Some update on the swop.

The cross-over steering arms and the bump stops have been done. In the picture the axle is laying on the bump stops.

Project should be completed by tomorrow.

Soos die kinders altyd se die dag voor kersfees: "nog net een slapie........"

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:55 am

Maverick wrote:
BenHurBul wrote:If you can get a IFS to articulate as much as a SFA the CV's would not last.
True!
But the more modern body makes it look better (bad example http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s ) and the more powerful motor does some to.

The negative with the pre -99 is that the 22r is so damn low and that it doesn't have the same look as the facelift, no AC either.

It would be something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s or something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/15540405.htm?ca=1_13_s to start building on.

Well my 1996 has aircon, and personally I have always liked the last pre 99 raider model's looks more than any other hilux shape they way they came out of the factory or if they had body mods the competition is between the raider shape and the older (early 80) shape but that is a personal thing. Since the IFS I feel too much plastic was added.

The only thing I ever had against them was that they never came in a larger engine option, and the leaves upfront is not too comfy.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:54 pm

BenHurBul wrote:
Maverick wrote:
BenHurBul wrote:If you can get a IFS to articulate as much as a SFA the CV's would not last.
True!
But the more modern body makes it look better (bad example http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s ) and the more powerful motor does some to.

The negative with the pre -99 is that the 22r is so damn low and that it doesn't have the same look as the facelift, no AC either.

It would be something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/14864627.htm?ca=1_13_s or something like this http://www.blocket.se/vi/15540405.htm?ca=1_13_s to start building on.
Well my 1996 has aircon, and personally I have always liked the last pre 99 raider model's looks more than any other hilux shape they way they came out of the factory or if they had body mods the competition is between the raider shape and the older (early 80) shape but that is a personal thing. Since the IFS I feel too much plastic was added.

The only thing I ever had against them was that they never came in a larger engine option, and the leaves upfront is not too comfy.

In Sweden there are no pre -99 with AC from what I know, but congratulations, you convinced me, I will be looking for a pre -99 (or is it -98?). And while we are on the thing (sorry for OT), is there any difference between the years of manufacture (from 89? to 99) ?

There are three enginechoices until -98/-99 and that's the 2.2, 2.4 and the 2.4TD. I know that the TD is slow so it will be either the 2.2 or the 2.4. When was 2.4 available and how much heavier is it on fuel compared to the 2.2?

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:01 pm

Yes the 2.2's (4Y) generally were the "imported" spec with original Toyota axcles and different loadbin and from about 2/3 (cant remember exactly when ) they changed to the "local" specs with a 2.4 (22R engine) Gearmax rear diff, loadbin with lights below the tailgate and the raider specs had the Aircon, grey interior and some nice trim on the outside. So you would ideally look for a 93-97 model to be safe.

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:07 pm

BenHurBul wrote:Yes the 2.2's (4Y) generally were the "imported" spec with original Toyota axcles and different loadbin and from about 2/3 (cant remember exactly when ) they changed to the "local" specs with a 2.4 (22R engine) Gearmax rear diff, loadbin with lights below the tailgate and the raider specs had the Aircon, grey interior and some nice trim on the outside. So you would ideally look for a 93-97 model to be safe.

So the 112hp/84kw 22R-E is available from 93-97?
When was the 2.7 available? And to get the 2.7 you need to get one with a facelift including IFS?
When was the facelift, 97, 98, 99?
When did the 2.2 (96hp/72kw 22R) stopped to manufacture, in which yearmodel?

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:36 pm

Yes the 2.7 only was introduced with IFS shape somewhere in 98-99, I am not 100% sure. IIRC the IFS was launched in 99 but I talk under correction, my memory has dropped me before. I guess a 98 model is most probably not the IFS but still SFA as well. At that stage I was still a young married guy so I did not pay attention too much.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:34 pm

In South Africa, the 2.7i (and it's other engine derivative models) was introduced as IFS from 1999. But overseas (Oz, etc), I believe the IFS was out about three years before this, probably still with the 2.4E engine.

-F_D

Maverick · Post by **Maverick** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:48 pm

Roger!
Thanks for all replies, better get going finding a car then (the -92 I was talking about before was nothing)!

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:21 am

I received my modified 2.7 late Thursday night from Wessel. That's the reason I missed the drinks at Kriges.

I packed everything for a long weekend trip and we left CT very early on Friday morning for Bojaankop 4x4 near Calitzdorp. After traveling more than 700km I must say I am very impressed with the swop. The vehicle is AWESOME off-road and dirt road driving with the coils is very good. I went through cross axles (that would have me selecting diff lock with the IFS set-up), without a glitch. I never had to use the lock, even where other vehicles struggled.

The vehicle is going back to Wessel this week for minor adjustments and the fitment of a steering damper.

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:34 am

Bennie, I hope you can see it now.

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:42 am

swifty wrote:Bennie, I hope you can see it now.

Nope!

Image not available.

-F_D

Cookie Monster · Post by **Cookie Monster** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:58 pm

Cant see the pic

Post by **Family_Dog** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:03 pm

That's because it is "Verfugbar!"

-F_D

Post by **CasKru** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 9:26 pm

Alweer bevrugbaar?

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:54 am

Ai, ek en die bevrugbare fotos. Lyk my ek ry makliker 'n berg op met my Hilux as wat ek 'n foto suksesvol pos!

Ek het nou maar vir Pieter ge-e-mail en gevra om die fotos vir my te plaas......

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:06 am

Net vir incase jy dalk nie weet hoe lyk die bevrugbare foto's nie, is hier vir jou 'n screenshot :

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:12 am

Cassie jy kan nou op daai screenshot sien dat ek die posting 11x ge-edit het, so niemand kan se ek het nie probeer om die bevrugbare fotos uit te sort nie!

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:37 am

Is so... maar jy kon nog een keer probeer het

Post by **george** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:47 pm

Jis Martin

Dit lyk nou blerrie goed.Hoe ry hy op die teer pad?
Dit lyk of Jacques begin planne maak vir coils op sy van.

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:00 pm

Hi George,

Op teerpad het hy 'n bietjie meer body roll. Ry baie sag maar het een of twee maal deurgestamp op die bump stops. Wessel gaan later die week daarna kyk, hy het 'n plan.

Martin

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:42 pm

Cool hulle kan maar sÃª wat hulle wil maar Solid axles is net soveel beter as interrior.. ag ek meen independant suspensions. En met coils op ry dit amper net so gemaklik as inferior suspensions.

Well done Wessel en Martin

Ewald

Daar was mos so rukkie terug die ou in die kaap iewers wat sy Sani geSAS het met 'n Hilux as en toe wou reken hy sal nou enige Hilux aanvat. Miskien moet jy prentjies hievan in daai thread post en bietjie stir....

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:49 am

Here are some pictures with better resolution.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:01 am

Thanks Martin. I see you understand the concept of a post is worthless without a pic :)

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:38 am

At least one can now see the HILUX4X4.CO.ZA sticker on the canopy (last photo)

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:11 pm

Martin

Kyk bietjie hierso:

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/forum/forum_ ... PN=0&TPN=1

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/forum/forum_ ... PN=1&TPN=1

http://www.nissan4x4.co.za/forum/forum_ ... PN=1&TPN=1

Aangesien Ewald nou nie meer op die Nissan site 'n member is nie en ek sien my posts ook sommer gedelete word daar, hoe lyk dit, wil jy nie bietjie daai ouens call op hulle challenge laat hulle 'n Hilux se naam sal gat maak met daai Sani nie (wat in anycase 'n Hilux voordiff in het).

Thys en julle ander ouens met die lekker SFAs hoe lyk dit gaan julle die ou se bluff call en kyk of hy regtig 'n Hilux kan ore aan sit soos beweer word.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Sat Mar 29, 2008 11:55 am

BenHurBul wrote:Thys en julle ander ouens met die lekker SFAs hoe lyk dit gaan julle die ou se bluff call en kyk of hy regtig 'n Hilux kan ore aan sit soos beweer word.

Dit sal nice fun wees Bennie, maar ek dink nie ek sal naby daai tipe van artikulasie kry met bladvere nie. Die coils is beter daarvoor, MAAR!! Enige SFA sal sy gat skop met of sonder die artikulasie, ons weet dit mos...

Kom Martin, bring jy die "Hybrid" ek bring Kaspaas en dan kom die ander ouens met die standard Hiluxes en ons gaan skop bietjie gat. Ek is ongelukkig (gelukkig vir MY) vir die hele maand van April weg met vakansie, maar in Mei is ek weer terug. :!: :roll:

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:03 pm

I received my Hilux from Wessel on Wednesday. All the finer points of the SAS have been sorted out. For better on-road stability the panhard rod was repositioned and double shocks were installed for more controlled damping. The rear was also lifted by 20mm.

i am very happy with the final result and can't wait to get off-road!

Bushwacker · Post by **Bushwacker** » Sat Nov 14, 2009 11:14 am

Swifty, Ek sien die fotos op hierdie fret is nie meer beskikbaar nie. Ek wil graag hierdie setup volg. My KZ het 'n 3.8 ratio agterdiff (41&11 tande),kry mens 'n voorste SFA diff met so 'n ratio, of moet ek die agter diff aanpas?
Thanx

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:36 pm

Piet,

In my geval het ons die agter diff by die SFA voor diff se ratios aangepas. Ek is nie seker of jy die voor diff kan verander na 'n 3.8 ratio. Ouens soos Allan (Hoppy) sal jou hiermee kan help.

Hier is nog 'n paar fotos:

Martin

NicoP · Post by **NicoP** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 12:03 pm

Goeie dag Swifty

Ek stel baie belang in die projek en wil my bakkie ook convert. Is dit dalk moontlik om meer inligting te kan kry asb. Ek wil nie my vingers brand nie.

Benodig die volgende ASB
Voorste diff en Ratio
watse coils (lengte)
Shocks(lengte)
En dalk as dit moontlik is meer fotos van hoe die diff vas
Hoe werk die steering nou

Nico

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Tue Mar 23, 2010 6:40 pm

NicoP wrote:Hoe werk die steering nou

Nog steeds met die stuurwiel

Grappie hoor

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:38 am

Nico, ek sal later vandag vir jou 'n PM stuur

Swifty

NicoP · Post by **NicoP** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:50 am

Thanks

swifty · Post by **swifty** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:52 am

Ek sien die fotos op hierdie fret is nie meer beskikbaar nie

Ek het dit weer gelaai