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Baie planne baie tyd
Gaan baie vrae vra , mens leer mos elke dag .
Het baie info bymekaar gemaak (+-400mb) forums pics etc

Die projek sal bietjie lank vat , wil eers als reg he , parte ens
dan afhaal en ander opsit .

Net die steering , Hi Steer (maar oorsee se goed is so duur rand - dollar)
Wat het die ander manne gebruik en aanmekaar gesit ?
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David,

As dit reg gedoen word is dit werklik die moeite werd. Jy moet eers besluit watter roete jy gaan volg: bladvere of coils. Bladvere is eenvoudiger, want jy copy eenvoudig dit wat reeds daar is en die meeste parte is standaard Hilux SFA. Jy moet basies net die IFS brackets afsny en SFA mounting brackets fabriseer. Met coils moet jy 'n panhard rod en control arms (wat nie standaard en ook nie noodwendig Toyota parte is nie), gebruik. Jy moet ook coil mount brackets maak wat redelik baie werk is.

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David, jy het ten minste klaar die eerste stap in die regte rigting gemaak... ek sien jy het klaar die as.. :lol: :lol: Hou ons op hoogte, en neem fotos soos jy aangaan. Daar is ander ouens hier wat met baie belangstelling die sakie dophou.. :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Baie dankie . :D
Sal verseker baie kiekies neem stap vir stap .
Het gedink ek gaan bladveer opsie gaan , soos jul se
makliker en eenvoudig net als copy .
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AAAAA ek het n ratkas . mmmmm :thumbup:

The axle has been refurb , new seals , bearings etc

When the g-box are back , some new spesial hammertone - a away

Got the front section of old hilux with spring hangers , tody i'll get the rear .

Will post pics asap . :D:
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Sal nog neem later , Sal begin met die mounting ens +-21 Mrt
Wag nog net vi die OME bladvere en nuwe tie rod ends .
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Die hoof rede hoekom ons die "blades" uitgehaal en met coils vervang het is dat daar te min "travel" is, die voertuig het ook altyd eenkant toe getrek as jy rem.
Die ifs onderstel se "hump" is nie hoog genoeg nie en as jy die vere reset om genoeg travel te kry dan staan hy te hoog, die steering arm was ook n probleem, ons kon nie die diff ver genoeg vorentoe kry vir die 33"s nie.
Nadat hy meer as n jaar met blades geloop het, het ons genoeg gesukkel en dit met coils vervang, dit was meer werk, maar beslis die moeite werd.
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Thanks Allan vir die info , sal een of ander tyd bietjie kom kuier en meer info kry oor die coils ek dink dit sal my volgende mod wees .

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Looking really good so far David. :thumbup:
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SAS?
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Suid Afrikaanse Spoorweg :crazy:
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Uys wrote:SAS?
Solida axle swop
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Bushwacker wrote:Suid Afrikaanse Spoorweg :crazy:
Nee Suid Afrikaanse Spoorweë

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BenHur wrote:
Bushwacker wrote:Suid Afrikaanse Spoorweg :crazy:
Nee Suid Afrikaanse Spoorweë
Nee Bennie, hy was reg, daar is nog net 1 oor.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Nee actually is daar nog 4 oor maar hulle staan nie meer bekend as SAS&H nie maar as amaTjoekTjoek & iboutie
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Seker daar bo by julle ja.. hier is net 1... en 'n boot... maar hy gaan een van die dae sink. :? :twisted:
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Kaspaas wrote:Seker daar bo by julle ja.. hier is net 1... en 'n boot... maar hy gaan een van die dae sink. :? :twisted:
Man ja hier by ons is nie hawens nie, hulle het even Randburg Waterfront en Zambesi Waterfront se mere toegegooi en nog winkels gebou, maar hier is wel kantoor met vloot oukies hulle regiment se leuse is "Long Time No C"
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BenHur wrote:hier is wel kantoor met vloot oukies hulle regiment se leuse is "Long Time No C"
Dis hulle boot wat le en sink in die hawe. Ek hoor hulle word deesdae uitgereik met lilo's en windbukse... en paddavoete... :roll: :roll:
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Kaspaas wrote:
BenHur wrote:hier is wel kantoor met vloot oukies hulle regiment se leuse is "Long Time No C"
Dis hulle boot wat le en sink in die hawe. Ek hoor hulle word deesdae uitgereik met lilo's en windbukse... en paddavoete... :roll: :roll:
As jy jou windbuks onderwater oorhaal word hy dan 'n waterbuks :? :?
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Point of no return . :twisted:

1.Hangers is vas
2.Axle is in

Nou stering ens

Will post some pics tonight . :D
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BlumTRD wrote:Point of no return . :twisted:

Will post some pics tonight . :D
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Ons wag in spanning :clap: :clap:
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Just one for now . 8 )

Have to down size all the photos , there's a lot all the steps

Het darm al ommie blok gery en niks het uit of af geval nie :shifty:

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pragtig :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Hi David
Dit lyk fantabeuless GR8
Wat was die koste om die SAS te doen

Ek dink ook al in daai rigting en sal graag wil weet waar en hoe en hoeveel

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Pragtig David! :thumbup: Jy sal nou seker agter nog moet lig?

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nog n paar kiekies , sal die stap vi stap kiekies later post

Die koste ens ook .

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rear needs to be lifted +- 100mm ( het 50mm langer shackels klaar in en kort nogsteeds )
Spacers tussen as en spring met grade vir propshaft correction .

Ry baie sagter as met die ifs . Glo my regtig geen grappies . :D

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Lyk baie goed :thumbup:

Maar die groot lekkerkry kom nog.........vat hom off road en jy wonder hoe jy reggekom het met die IFS...... :mrgreen:
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Dit lyk great post asb vir ons nog heelwat fotos en pryse. Asook fotos waneer jy hom bietjie off-road vat.
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Hi Leon long time no hear? Is jy al pappie?
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Jou bakkie lyk uitstekend Dawid.Baie anders as die keer toe ek hom gesien het.
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David,

Jy sal die agterste as ook onder die vere moet sit, axle under spring. Dan kan jy dalk die schacle uithaal.
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Off Topic:

Ja Bennie die tweeling het gekom seuntjie en dogtertjie dus hoekom ek so stil is kry nie kans om so bietjie te gaan speel nie so ek gebruik nou maar die tyd om my wa so bietjie opteknap.
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Baie Dankie :thumbup:
Wat nog gedoen moet word .

1. Voor shocks klaar maak
2. 4x4 ratkas moet nog in ( miskien die naweek )
3. Voor propshaft nog laat maak , agter een kry met shaft

Die vere moet nog settle veral agter ( Dobinson 50mm lift ) + gewig kry
Shackles was verleng met nog 50mm ( ook nog netjies kry weeer )
Maar kort nog baie skoon maak , skuur , paint etc " will nie he dit moet lyk
soos hond se bollie nie :problem:

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Great Peekchaz :mrgreen:

Nice job man, very neat :!: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Well done :thumbup:
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Blaaaiksem, dis n gawe bakkie die :!: :clap: :clap:

Ek het al lankal so jeuk aan my agterkant dat ipv n 2.7 conversion op my SFA doen, eerder so 2.7 IFS koop en dan n SAS doen. Nou dat ek jou bakkie sien, begin dit erger te jeuk.

Vertel bietjie wat is die kostes gewees, dis nou net op die SAS. As ek so iets doen sal ek n 4x4 koop....

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Nice job, David. Looks really awsome!!! :thumbup:
It looks like you omitted to fit the stabilizer arm between the top of the diff and the body?? It will twist the axle on the springs a little without it. Has anyone left this off before and what were the findings off-road?
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The torque rod you mean. I believe they reckon your axle wrap will stuff up the blades without it :? :?
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Ok, torque rod then .... but that's why I asked, because I can imagine that it would stress the springs. Adittionally I can forsee the driveshaft angle being whipped back and fort as the axle wraps. This should also come into play while braking and it affects the castor angle if it wraps .... not a good combination if you're braking hard for a child in the road, I think.
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Het aan die torque rod gedink :problem: , maar soos ek hier onder verstaan ( see websites )
Bump Steer en push and pull J-Arm van Ou hilux .
En die meeste ouens (Amerika , Aust) het niemand die rods op nie
Soos ek dit het moet jy net Crossover steer he ( let wel nie High steer waar die tweede rod ook bo is nie )

So sal maar bietjie kyk daarna :think:

http://www.yotatech.com/f114/front-axle ... od-162717/

http://www.brian894x4.com/Solidaxleswappt1.html

http://forum.ih8mud.com/79-95-toyota-tr ... stion.html

http://www.offroadexpress.co.nz/Forums/ ... =38&t=7232
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OK that makes sense, you are never too old to learn :lol: :lol:
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OK that makes sense, you are never too old to learn
Ditto! .... David it would seem that as you have a crossover type steering it's not neccesary anymore. However axle wrap and wheel hop may still be an issue. Keep it in mind. Still a stirling job you did there :thumbup:
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Dis mos hoe n Hilux moet lyk, baie mooi dit lyk wielle :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Agree, very nice and very interesting!!

Didn't even knew what cross-over steering was 2 hours ago.

Another nice site:

http://www.fourwheeler.com/techarticles ... index.html
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:thumbup: Thanks to all . Dito , will have a look at bump-steer . I'll think of something , or ask the guys from the states , info on the their forum's . There must be something new to sort out all of the above . My gat brand al om te gaan wiel .
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Gaan kyk die site wat Chris gegee het nogal nice nou weet ek ook :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
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Something else interesting about steering: if one turns, the innner front wheel must turn more than the outer one (smaller radius circle), How is this achieved?
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cprinsloo wrote:Something else interesting about steering: if one turns, the innner front wheel must turn more than the outer one (smaller radius circle), How is this achieved?
they turn exactly the same, it's just that the outside wheel travels a greater distance; hence the steering difficulties when lockers are engaged :wink:
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Thanx Chris , for the link . Great info .
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they turn exactly the same, it's just that ....
Not true!.... They do on fact turn on their own individual radii, otherwise there would be some serious scrubbing and tyre wear when turning. The inner wheel, on a turn will have a tighter (smaller) radius than the outer one. It's refferred to as tow in / tow out on turns when this angle is out. It is usually not adjustable and is set in the design of the steering arms. It is achieved by the angle (off from 90º) that is formed between the line of the axle and the line between the stub axle pivot and end of the steering arm. This angle is calculated as a co-efficient between the wheel base length (distance between front and back axles) and the width of the front axle (distance between the pivot points). If the steering arm or axle are bent, this setting goes for a Burton.
the outside wheel travels a greater distance; hence the steering difficulties when lockers are engaged
This part is true of course, since the outer wheel in a turn has a greater radius.
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I've borrowed one of David's pics to show what I mean ....
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Thanks to all . Dito , will have a look at bump-steer
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David, I don't think you will have any issues with bump steer .... not with your cross over steering. If you had fitted the old SFA steering box and pitman arm (push pull steering), then there would be an issue. Your only problems may arrise from axle wrap, like :
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Thanks Mud Dog , Now i'm learning new things , lucky me the system i'm useing are based on the all pro kit (only homemade) .

Big up for the Hilux Forum :thumbup: , And all the guys with the info :idea: .

Ek kan myself net indink hoe moes die ouens vroer jare gesukkel het , Daar sou mens eers inligting gekry het as jy by die workshops moes gaan kuier het en vriende . Dankie tog vi internet en Forum's :oops:
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Jy moet net alles mooi neerskryf dat jy kan onthou want daai is soos wat ek van hulle hou, hey man ek het op n site gesien dat hulle die selfde bakkie so gemaak het die lot sit daar in slaap stad Burnco is hulle naam, hoekom praat jy nie bietjie met hulle ook ni, dis nou as jy iets wou uitvind :D :D
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the system I'm using is based on the All Pro kit (only homemade) .
Ek het dit al twee keer vroër gesê ... dis regtig 'n mooi job wat jy daar gedoen het, al het jy miskien nie al die feite mooi bymekaar gehad nie. Ek is eintlik ge-impressed! :thumbup:
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Great stuff David!

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Looks Good!

Just 1 question, The Chassis to Diff Control arm, any reason for leaving it out?

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Louis, read back in the posts, it's what we were discussing. Apparently this is the way they do it in the US.
David, I don't think you will have any issues with bump steer .... not with your cross over steering. If you had fitted the old SFA steering box and pitman arm (push pull steering), then there would be an issue. Your only problems may arrise from axle wrap, like :
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