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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:29 pm

Eks nuut by die forum en ek het almal se hulp dringend nodig!

Ek wil graag my 1989 Hilux se Ingevoerde 4Y vervang met iets wat meer krag en torque het. Ek weet daar is soveel van julle wat al met die kopseer gesit het. (Watter enjin om te kies).
Ek gebruik my hilux om te toer en soek graag 'n enjin wat my die volgende gaan bied:

Petrol (verkieslik toyota)
Nie te veel elektronies wees nie
Graag my bestaande ratkas gebruik, aangesien hy onlangs oorgedoen is.
Genoeg Torque (Het 'n "Alu-Canopy" met rooftop tent)
My spoed langpad 100-110km/h.

Alle raad sal opreg waardeer word.... :taunt:

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:34 pm

Kyk hoe skree almal Lexus V8.. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
Petrol (verkieslik toyota)
Nie te veel elektronies wees nie
Graag my bestaande ratkas gebruik, aangesien hy onlangs oorgedoen is.
Genoeg Torque (Het 'n "Alu-Canopy" met rooftop tent)
My spoed langpad 100-110km/h.
As ons kyk na daai vereistes is jou beste bet 'n nuwe 4Y. Miskien met 'n EFI conversion, maar dan sit jy elektronika by...
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:35 pm

Dis moeilike een. Enjin wat goeie krag het soos wat jy soek sou ek dan se kyk na n 22R ef 4y met EFI anders n Lexus V8. Almal is dors. Lexus het bja meer electronics.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 4:47 pm

Aangesien my Hilux 4x4 is kan ek my bestaande ratkas altyd weer verkoop...
Enige ander opsies?

Miskien 7MGE ?

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 5:26 pm

ian tough one , you are looking for more oomph but light on juice , all i can say is horses for courses , i have had hiluxes with 22r , ford v6 and all sorts in and at the end of the day you have to sit down and decide what power you are looking for and what consumption you want , if you go lexus please pretty please put the auto in , it drops the rpm a 1000 at 120kph and makes a big diffs on consumption , as for the electronics if you go efi 22r youve got the electronics , the same if you go lexus , so you are not winning either way but to carry a spare only costs you 1k , as for the box if the electronics plays up unplug the gearbox ecu and drive it manual this is great as it wont leave you standing somewhere. family member has the 3l camry motor in his sfa and the consumption is the same as the v8 and this is with the standard management ( trying to get him to change so we can optimise it more ) but its your van and you must decide what you want , better still go and drive a few vans and then make up your mind. dont let anybody bully you into doing something do your homework , the 7mge fits the kz shape nicely but a female dog to fit in the sfa.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:11 pm

7MGE is 'n baie nice conversion, maar hy het ook electronics. Ek het self baie lank met een gery, en die bonus is hy werk op jou bestaande ratkas. Die grootste probleem is dat mens baie moelik deesdae 'n 7mge motor opspoor met lae kilos.

As ek nou weer 'n SFA moet woema gee dan sal ek 'n Lexus v8 insit en klaar, never mind die electronics... Jy gaan moet compromise op jou wish-list... Dis maar my 2 sente.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:28 pm

Eks ook maar 'n Lexus V8 man. Eks nog besig met my conversion. Exhaust sisteem amper klaar.
Ek sal jou laat weet hoe die hele conversion vaar sodra ek met hom gery het. My Hilux word ook gebou om te toer.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:31 pm

Om eerlik te wees het ek gewoond geraak aan 6-7km/l brandstofgebruik met die 4y motor :o , so brandstof verbruik is laaste op die lys!

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:26 pm

Hidalgo wrote:Eks nuut by die forum en ek het almal se hulp dringend nodig!

Ek wil graag my 1989 Hilux se Ingevoerde 4Y vervang met iets wat meer krag en torque het. Ek weet daar is soveel van julle wat al met die kopseer gesit het. (Watter enjin om te kies).
Ek gebruik my hilux om te toer en soek graag 'n enjin wat my die volgende gaan bied:

Petrol (verkieslik toyota)
Nie te veel elektronies wees nie
Graag my bestaande ratkas gebruik, aangesien hy onlangs oorgedoen is.
Genoeg Torque (Het 'n "Alu-Canopy" met rooftop tent)
My spoed langpad 100-110km/h.

Alle raad sal opreg waardeer word.... :taunt:
Hallo Ian, welkom hierso op die forum!! Jy gaan baie uiteenlopende opinies kry oor jou vraag.

EK sal jou antwoord en se dat jy bepaal wat jou behoeftes is. Ek het ook n 4Y wat ek gebruik vir toer in afgelee gebiede. Maar myne is al die laaste 4 jaarn & 70000km, EFi (brandstof inspuiting) en het nog nooit enige probleme gehad wat betref betroubaarheid nie. Ek was al tot by Die malawiese grens in Mosambiek met my bakkie en het nog nie een keer gewonder oor die elektronika nie.

Jou bestaande enjin alreeds is elektronies met die ontsteking asook die carb se cut of switch. Myne het 3 merkbare elektroniese komponente by wat ek verander het. ECU, pomp en n igniter wat bykom. Die res is alles stock toyota OE inspuiting.

Ek kry 7.5 km/l gemiddeld op my bakkie met 'n vrag in en dit dan in meeste omstandighede. Laasjaar Lesotho gery met n baie swaar vrag en ek het 6.6 km/l gery deur lesotho en op die SA paaie het ek so 7.3km/l gekry maar die aircon was heeltyd aan en ek het ook van Pietermaritzburg na Berville gery teen so 125 - 140 km/h met n vrag in. So ek kan nie kla nie, ja ek verloor spoed teen lang steil opdraendes, maar ek is tog op vakansie so dit maak nie so baie saak op 100/110 bo uit te kom nie.

SO om jou te antwoord, Lexus is enige een se droom, daai klank en dan ook sommer dit automaties want dit is lekker so..... 7M soos wat Thys gese het werk fantasties, maar soos enige verandering moet dit behoorlik gedoen word en selfs dan is daar so paar veranderings/verstellings wat gemaak moet word om alles 100% te kry.

Jy ry nie baie vinnig nie en ek vermoed jou soek meer torque om nie te veel te sukkel met opdraendes nie. Ek kan meeste plekke ry teen 120 op en af, meestal in 5 de rat, soms in 4 de rat.

Hierdie is suiwer wat wil jy he, wat is jy bereid om te betaal vir die proses en dan wat is jy bereid om interuil om by daai punt te kom. alles is n trade off tussen twee of meer punte.

Hoop jy kom gou reg.
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 8:33 pm

Welcome Ian!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

When I look at your criteria I can'y help but wonder why you'd like to change the motor that you already have. The 4Y is an awesome off-road motor with fantastic low down grunt ..... my current 22R cannot match my old 4Y in any area except open road speed and even then it's only marginally better. The 4Y was more than confortable in 2nd gear low where the 22R has to rev away in 1st gear. I'm also wary of electronics letting you down in the bush. Both the 4Y and 22R are normally aspirated. The old 4Y carb was beautifully set up and gave me anywhere between 9 and 11 km/lit on the open road dependant on conditions.

The beauty is that it's a stock standard set-up ..... no gearbox / diff mods required, spares are available throughout Africa if you care to wander further afield.

The onlly drawback (if you could call it that) is lack of open road top end, but travel fast and you have to concentrate a lot more on the road ..... travel a bit slower and you get to savour the terrain and vistas that you pass.

To me it's simply a no brainer. ;-)
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:00 pm

Ian,As jy n boer is koop n nuwe 3.0 l D4D met die mIelie oes en hou die SFa vir die werk op die plaas :thumbup:
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Thu Dec 06, 2012 9:07 pm

Hallo Ian.

Welkom op by ons. Ek ry ook met 'n 4Y. Ek het so tyd terug ook begin soek om vir my bakkie iets anders in te sit. Van 'n Lexus, 7mge, 5mge tot by die Ford 2.5TDI. So tydjie terug het 'n vriend van my met die 7mge in sy Hulix se topgasket gegaan, nou net n maand daar na het my 4y se topgasket ook gegaan :slap: , en net daar het ek besluit om my 4y in te hou. Die prys om daai 7mge oor te doen teen oor my 4y sin is astronomiese verskil. En as jy moeilikheid kry met die 4Y erens teen die padis die parte oral beskikbaar. Laai vir jou 'n Workshop Manual af,sit hom agter jou seat en laat waai. Vir daai vereistes wat jy soek, kyk mooi als sit in jou 4y.

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Thu Dec 06, 2012 10:40 pm

Hi Ian, welkom. Jy vra 'n vraag wat baie van ons ook al wou vra. Na baie rond kyk lyk die ou 2.7 hilux na 'n goeie roep. Dit is die masjin met die half split intake manifold. Die latere 2.7 (bulnose) was swaarder op brandstof. Kan enige iemand vir ons kommentaar gee oor so 'n ombouing van die vroee 2.7 ? Ek weet Wessel wat by Hoppy gewerk het, het so 'n ombouing gehad.

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:30 am

Dankie aan almal se raad! Nou Begin die huiswerk :dance1:

Waar kan 'n mens 'n kompleet EFI sisteem vir 'n 4Y kry?

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Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:38 am

Hidalgo wrote:Dankie aan almal se raad! Nou Begin die huiswerk :dance1:

Waar kan 'n mens 'n kompleet EFI sisteem vir 'n 4Y kry?
Ian ons almal het maar die dinge so stuk stuk by mekaar gemaak. As jy bietjie soek op die forum oor 4Y EFi en dit gaan jy baie inligting kry oor hoe wat waar en daai dinge.

Eks naweke in Parys as jy wil kom kyk na myne of as jy wil he ek moet jou help met dinge...
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Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:29 am

Hi Johan! Dankie vir die raad.. Ek gaan gereeld oor Naweke Parys toe. Ek sal graag wil kom en het hulp nodig? Hoe kan ek jou kontak?

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PM is gestuur!! :thumbup:
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Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:52 pm

Ford V6!!

been done thousands of times

minimal electronics, just the ignition electronics
or you could even opt for points!!

all parts should available off the shelf for this conversion!!

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 3:49 pm

Ek so bietjie kop gekrap oor geskikte enjins vir die SFA. Hier is ‘n lys van enjins wat geredelik hier beskikbaar was. E

4Y: 70Kw 182Nm

2 Liter Camry /RAV4
3SFE: 88Kw 171Nm - Bout net so op die 4Y se bellhousing vas volgens http://www.toymods.org.au/forums/tech-c ... using.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;



2.2 Liter Camry
5SFE: 98Kw 197Nm – Dis dieselfde as die 3SFE, neem ek aan so dit sal ook direk op die bellhousing vasbout?

3 Liter Camry
3VZ-FE: 138Kw 264Nm

As jy die roete wil gaan, kry dan eerder die 5VZ(3.4L) soos in die ou Prado, 142Kw, 298Nm

In my opinie sal die 2.2(Camry, 5SFE) die beste roete wees om te gaan, mits jy die enjin en ECU bekostigbaar kan bekom.

Ek sien die 2 Liter masjien geadverteer vir R4950 by European Quality Used, 032 551 9723/071 494 7058
Dieselfde ouens adverteer ook die 3SGE vir R4950. Dit kom uit die Celica reeks. Krag wissel vanaf 103-156Kw en 175-220Nm – Met ‘n Turbo gaan dit tot 500Kw en 639Nm!!!!

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:00 pm

thabo , nice list
did a lux with the camry 3l motor and it worked well , the 2.2 would also work , as for the 3sge its a very peaky motor and you would have to wring its neck a bit , but it does not complain.
the 5vz is also a good option but not cheap , but for 600cc i would just go the v8 route.
but if the guys wanted to keep the manual box as standard then these are good options ,
but for the 2.2 camry motor you are going through all the shlep to gain ( against the 22r motor ) 17kw and 10nm on the fly which is not much on the wheels.

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:09 pm

True, maar om een of ander onveklaarbare rede hou ek niks van die 22R nie!
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Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:57 pm

to be honest you are not the first to tell me that

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:46 pm

Mark it is not only about the little bit you gain.

If you look what fuel consumption those engines gave you in normal cars. Coincidentally my father owned two of each vehicles with those engines.
The 22R in a Cresida gave 10 to 11 km/l (He had 2x 2.4 Cresidas)
the 2.2 Camry engine give you 14km/l , both at about 120km/l (He had 2x 2.2 Camries and my brother now owns the second one)
The 2.2 Camry had a better fuel consumption than the 2.0 Camry in the platkar versions so I will not even consider the 2.0 Camry engine.

The 2.2 Camry is a smooth engine with good torque and is one of those engines which can do 600,000km or more without a hick-up, which is better than what you will get from a 4Y or a 22R

I have long ago suggested using the 2.2 Camry engine but some of the clever guys said it wont work because it sits on an angle. Cannot understand why this can be a problem because there is enough space in a Hilux engine bay to accommodate it, the side of a V8 also sits on an angle and it is not a problem.

Especially if this is a bolt on to the gear box I still think this should be a very good engine for a Hilux.
It is super reliable and I am sure the fuel consumption will be good.

The engine importers sell them for round about R5,000.00
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pietpetoors wrote:

Especially if this is a bolt on to the gear box I still think this should be a very good engine for a Hilux.
It is super reliable and I am sure the fuel consumption will be good.

The engine importers sell them for round about R5,000.00
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Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:30 am

i do agree pieter , if you are looking for better consumption the 2.2 will work well , you can stand it up straight but you just have to mod the sump and oil pick up. if i was looking for better consumption and maybe a bit more oomph i would go this route.
why i am saying the lux is a good bet for the 1uz is ive seen so many luxes with 33 tyres and all the kit in the world on it , and this is when a 4 cyl is going to fight a losing battle.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:31 pm

Welcome Ian!!

When I look at your criteria I can'y help but wonder why you'd like to change the motor that you already have. The 4Y is an awesome off-road motor with fantastic low down grunt ..... my current 22R cannot match my old 4Y in any area except open road speed and even then it's only marginally better. The 4Y was more than confortable in 2nd gear low where the 22R has to rev away in 1st gear. I'm also wary of electronics letting you down in the bush. Both the 4Y and 22R are normally aspirated. The old 4Y carb was beautifully set up and gave me anywhere between 9 and 11 km/lit on the open road dependant on conditions.

The beauty is that it's a stock standard set-up ..... no gearbox / diff mods required, spares are available throughout Africa if you care to wander further afield.

The onlly drawback (if you could call it that) is lack of open road top end, but travel fast and you have to concentrate a lot more on the road ..... travel a bit slower and you get to savour the terrain and vistas that you pass.

To me it's simply a no brainer.

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