Bar doors for canopy?

[Jaco Versfeld]

Hi There,

My father-in-law built the following canopy for me:

and

Instead of buying a (very expensive) dual wheel carrier rear bumper, I want to change the door to two "bar" doors, i.e. where the single door now opens up, I want two doors that swing open, one to the left and the other to the right. I also want to reinforce the doors so that each door can carry one wheel.

Do you think this will work? Is there anything that I have missed?

Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated

(My apologies for the photo quality - I am a bit challenged when it comes to changing the photos into the correct dimensions)

[Dadz Toy BFI]

How's visibility out the back Jaco :? :?

[OOOOMS]

Rich, can't u c?

[Mud Dog]

Is there enough space for two wheels? If so it could become very heavy. You'd have a lot of work to modify the door into two and beefing up the framework. You'd also need some very serious hinges.

I'd prefer to look at the option of two bumper mounted swing arms and beef up the bumper mounts if neccesary.

[Mud Dog]

Rich, can't u c?

Mark, Rich becomes very near sighted after his evening 'tipple'!

[pietpetoors]

Wheels are very heavy. How strong is the sides of the canopy?
I doubt that there will be enough space for 2 wheels.

You might also find it difficult to seal the doors where the join in the middle.

[Dadz Toy BFI]

Rich, can't u c?

Mark, Rich becomes very near sighted after his evening 'tipple'!

I wish :!: :!:

More a case of Myprodol Melancholy - my Dentist took his sweet time removing a wisdom tooth yesterday

[Mud Dog]

Wheels are very heavy. How strong is the sides of the canopy?
I doubt that there will be enough space for 2 wheels.

You might also find it difficult to seal the doors where the join in the middle.

My concerns exactly Pieter, and even if one fitted heavy duty hinges and beefed up the canopy frame with gussets and the like, I think there is a strong possibility of cracking a few welds on a longer stretch of rough gravel road.

[Mud Dog]

I wish

More a case of Myprodol Melancholy - my Dentist took his sweet time removing a wisdom tooth yesterday

And now you're none-the-wiser?

[African Child]

Stem saam, die moontlikheid is baie grooter dat jy n probleem met die deure gaan optel op n slegte grondpad as wat jy ooit twee spaarwiele gaan nodig he. Ek praat uit ondervinding, jy kan jou beste doen maar daars niks slegter as op n plek soos Kaokoland ysters te he wat besluit om die gees te gee nie. Tweedens en dis nou maar net my persoonlike opinie, maar ek hou nie van twee spaarwiele met rims se gewig op my bakkie se gat nie vir dieselfde rede ek nie onnodig n offroad bumper se 60kg + op my bakkie neus wil plak nie. Altwee het hulle plek maar net as hulle werklik nodig is.

In die 150 000 kilo's en plekke waar ek was die laaste paar jaar was het ek nog nooit my tweede spaarband nodig gehad nie. Dalk was ek net gelukkig maar met die tyre repair kit, n paar tyre levers en n ekstra tube kon ek altyd regkom.

[OOOOMS]

On the other side have a look at the 70 Cruiser has a spare wheel attached to the rear door.

This however seems fine?

[cprinsloo]

Toe ek die topic sien toe dog ek jy gaan 'n bar in jou canopy inbou................. :wth:

[pietpetoors]

I agree with Leon. I do not actually want to say this out loud but I never needed two spares yet!
The only time I took two spares was on our first Richtersveld trip where the people said you cannot go without two spares. We did not even get one flat tyre. I again took two spares on our first Tankwa trip where everybody complains about the sharp rocks cutting the tyres, again no flat tyre. That was the last time I bothered with two spare tyres.

Perhaps one day I will be in trouble because I only have one spare tyre, but up to now I did not need a second one. As Leon said your chances of having a problem with a broken sparewheel carrier is bigger than needing the two spares.

OOOOMS, the cruiser has one spare wheel on the back which is fine. Kaspaas also has one wheel on the back of his canopy.
Perhaps you can rather look at extending your back door to a full door and then place one spare on the back door.

[Optimus Prime]

Jaco ,you can still cut your door into 2 doors ,thats if u want ,and leave it at that ,when u do go on a long trip or think there might be reason to have to spares ,
just pop it on you roofrack or on the tent for the trip.

[African Child]

Vir n tweede spaar is n los band sonder n rim al wat nodig is. Dit is ligter op die dakrak en makliker om op en af te haal. Om die band op n rim te sit gaan gewoonlik maklik moet net nie jou tyre levers by die huis vergeet nie! Beste van alles daars lekker plek vir n sak kameeldoringhout in die middel van die los band op die dakrak.

[Jaco Versfeld]

Thanks for all the replies

My apologies for the dubious title - but I don't think the liquor bottles will make it though (If I fitted a bar) ...

Would it be more viable to fit only one tyre then (at the back, on a door)?

I want to fit a long range tank underneath the car (in the long run) (65 litres at least). Usually the guys use the space where the spare wheel is, I think the spare wheel drops around 15 cm. Will this affect the offroad capability of the vehicle?

We did Kaokoveld this past December. Both my brother and I didn't have any punctures, but our tyres were in good nick before the trip. I had one tyre below the Hilux, and one in the back. I also had around 6 jerry cans of petrol in the back. Space (in the back) did become a problem as we had 4 persons in our Double cab, and we had to fit all our gear plus the second spare plus the six jerry cans in the back. (I think it is Murphy's Law, if you have 2 spare wheels, you won't suffer any punctures, when you have no spare wheel, prepare for punctures...)

Maybe I should rather fit a roof rack. However, initially I thought this will affect the fuel consumption quite negatively. That is why the canopy has a low profile, with the rooftop extending only a couple of cms above the cab.

[george]

Vir n tweede spaar is n los band sonder n rim al wat nodig is. Dit is ligter op die dakrak en makliker om op en af te haal. Om die band op n rim te sit gaan gewoonlik maklik moet net nie jou tyre levers by die huis vergeet nie! Beste van alles daars lekker plek vir n sak kameeldoringhout in die middel van die los band op die dakrak.

Goeie raad Jy kan ook die band bo jou spaarwiel sit.Jy verloor glad nie te veel hoogte nie

[jsrossouw]

Hi,

I have the same configuration with the long range tank in the space where the spare wheel must be and then the spare wheel on top of it and it does get bashed when you deal with drops. My extra tank is now I little flatter. I am also going the wheel carrier route but only one and on a burnco bumper or something.

[OOOOMS]

Stephan, ander opsie: 'n vriend van my 'nitram' op die furum, het 'n bolt on tipe spaar wiel attatchment wat aan die standaard 2.7 se bumper gesit word, en aan die kant van die bak. Hy het dit as ek kan onthou vir so R1400 gekoop.

Dit werk bet so goed, en kom met'n swivel arm.

Groete

[Optimus Prime]

OOOOOOOOMS NOU STUUR biki fotos van die macgyver asb

[OOOOMS]

Sal so maak, hy het gaan jag en sal eers Maandag terug wees.

[jsrossouw]

Thanks Mark, sal graag daai kiekies will sien

[Nitram]

Stephan,hier is foto's van my spaarwiel carrier,het dit by Frontrunner gekoop omtrent so 4 jaar gelede.Dit is maklik om self te instaleer ,die onderste gedeelte pas binne in die pype van die oorspronklike "bumper" jy boor net twee gate om dit vas te bout,die boonste gedeelte bout aan die buite kant van jou "bin" vas en jy boor ook net twee klein gate daar.Hulle verskaf al die boute en parte ,so jy hoef nie te loop en soek vir alles nie.As ek reg kan onthou was die koste +- R1900 rand.Jy kan my kontak as jy nog informasie soek.
Thanx Martin

[ThysdJ]

Jaco. Daar sal nie genoeg plek wees vir 2 spaarwiele as jy "bar-doors" maak nie, en jy sal die canopy en die bak se kante erg moet versterk om aan alkant 'n wiel te dra. Sit een wiel onder in en een op die agterdeur vas soos myne. Myne is nou al deur die Kgalagadi, en Sani pass en hou nog lekker.

[Piesang]

Ek het ook so arm agter vir die spaar oorweeg en wil net weet as 'n ou 'n wa gehak het en jy wil agter in die bakkie werk gaan die wa nie in die pad wees vir die oopmaak van die wiel-arm nie?

[SKRIK NIKS]

ek sou nou dit gelike het om twee wiele daar op te sit