Calling all Ford v6 guys

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:57 am

Well thors motor is using alot of oil and soon will be replaced by a more powerful heart,a ford v6 engine.I need to know a few things first though,whats the best year to look for,should i go 3.4,3.2,3.0,? wht would give me the best torque,power,reliability.Are there any mods i can do to it to give it that edge,how much can i take off the old 2,2 motor and put on the new one.And the drive train will my gearbox be able to take the strain and will the ratios be affected in any way.And finally the most important question of all!!!should the heads be painted orange or tangerine?

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:31 pm

Anyone care?

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:34 pm

I care Luke Darling, though I don't have a Ford V6....

though I considered the conversion...........

got offered a rebuilt "Big Six" (from the old classic Big Six Cortina)....

Real cheap conversion..........

Real reliable...............

Real Fuel Eficient..........

But not quite dependable enough for my Daily Runner

Can I talk to you about EFi :roll: :roll: :roll:

Try King Rat - he bought a converted SFA this year

Rich

Ps... Ford Tappet Cover Mettallic BLOU net

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:45 pm

Anyone care who owns a v6?

ecotech · Post by **ecotech** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:58 pm

not a v6 owner anymore but i suggest to use the sraight 3.0l v6. i bought my cortina bakkie with about 280 000km on the clock and i drove 7 types of sh!t out of it and it did not budge or break once. the only thing i had was a leaking carb plunger but that was cause i was o bloody lazy to replace it. i would further more say as you have a carb version lux stick to the 3.0l. there are less roubles and the rest like the 3.2 and 3.4 are feul injected and offer more n.m and kw but there are so much more that can go wrong. think about it! less electronics, less worries. oh and the tappit covers, by the colour of your lux i would say go tang....

happy motoring

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:16 pm

I also do care... I had a V6 Ford in a Hilux.. they go well, they are the cheapest horsepower on the market, and if looked after they are very reliable. Also parts are cheap and freely available, and they can be EFI'ed and modified for not a lot of bucks.. Dont go 3.4 or 3.2 or even 2.5 go 3.0

King Rat · Post by **King Rat** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 6:26 pm

Howzit, very busy implementing an new system at my job, sorry for the slow response.

I concur with the rest of the guys, very reliable power, will last forever if looked after. I enjoy the torque and it's very usable offroad for a newby like me. It will not put any undue strain on your drivetrain as I know guys here that have much bigger power from their engines and they do not have any issues. Keep it simple and stay with the 3.0l with a carb. Anyone in the platteland can fix the enjine quick-quick. My tappet cover is blue, like the bulle!!

Sorry, it's actualy black like the Sharks!

legend35 · Post by **legend35** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:45 pm

I would go for a 30irs Sierra or Saffire engin,117kw

Riceburner · Post by **Riceburner** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:21 am

I was not a fan of the 3.0l V6, but since I now own one I love and respect it. Doesnt use oil or smoke or overheat. Just enough power to turn my 33's and easy to service. I have the 3.0l with the 38 Weber and branches and its such a pleasure to drive long distances because I can stay at a steady 110kms/hour. I also love the low down torque it has. Probly one of the most poplar and reliable conversions for the lux. I bought mine from a oldish guy in his 60's that really looked after it so I know it wasnt raced around. Feul consumption is not bad considering I only live 8 kms from work so I use it everyday since I sold my platkar. Sounds good aswell with the branches and s/steel freeflow.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:13 am

There are only a few things in this world that sounds nicer than a well tuned Ford V6 with twin pipes hitting the high notes and keeping it.....

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:08 am

Lyk my iemand verlang terug na sy V6,lyk my daai 7gme is nie meer goed nie,of sit sommer n V8 in klaspasie,allan se glo jy like daai V8 engins.

Kaspaas wrote:There are only a few things in this world that sounds nicer than a well tuned Ford V6 with twin pipes hitting the high notes and keeping it.....

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:21 am

Die V6 was goed, BAIE goed, maar die 7MGE is beter....

V8 is plein vraatsigheid... Lekker, begeerlik, exciting, maar vraatsig, uitgavriet..

roburta · Post by **roburta** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:39 am

bliksem maar daardie v6 klink goed... hier is 'n klip van 'n v8 ....klink ook nie te bad nie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-GsqsYNeI

how difficult is it to get these ford engines in a good nic

Dadz Toy BFI · Post by **Dadz Toy BFI** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:36 am

roburta wrote:vent maar daardie v6 klink goed... hier is 'n klip van 'n v8 ....klink ook nie te bad nie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi-GsqsYNeI

how difficult is it to get these ford engines in a good nic

Not difficult at all, my mechanic found me one in 2 mins then I came across half a dozen at breakers.

Had I not gone 4Y Efi I would have deffinately gone with a 3.0ltr Ford V6 with a Dicktator Efi; they sound lekker nÃª and lots of guys have come up with cheap and affective solutions to get on top of their Achilles Heels (Engine Mounts breaking and Heat Issues).

Best o' Luck mate

Rich

Scorpion · Post by **Scorpion** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:11 pm

Kaspaas wrote:Die V6 was goed, BAIE goed, maar die 7MGE is beter.... V8 is plein vraatsigheid... Lekker, begeerlik, exciting, maar vraatsig, uitgavriet..

Is jy jaloers?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:11 pm

Scorpion wrote:
Kaspaas wrote:Die V6 was goed, BAIE goed, maar die 7MGE is beter.... V8 is plein vraatsigheid... Lekker, begeerlik, exciting, maar vraatsig, uitgavriet..
Is jy jaloers?

Nee onder geen omstandighede nie.... vraatsig is mos lekker...

Bosvark · Post by **Bosvark** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:23 pm

calling all TOYORD drivers,please give advice

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 6:02 pm

As with the other guys, go with the standard 3.0.

I salvaged a burnt out JT3000 motor from another Hilux, stripped it and rebuilt it completely with new parts.
Done 3000km so far and no problems or oil/water leaks. The whole conversion I did myself and it cost me about R 15k two years ago.

Here is the shopping list from my conversion:

Essex V6 parts list.xls: (31 KiB) Downloaded 615 times

Any other specific info your require, let me know. I gathered quite a bit doing the conversion.

See my vehicle at: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=520

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pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:54 pm

you basicly own a jt 3000 hilux.Thats cool!!!! 8) whats your performance and torque like compared to the 4y?

Riceburner · Post by **Riceburner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:12 am

Sifu Lux what engine mountings are you using? I keep on busting the drivers side ford mount.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:52 am

Riceburner wrote:Sifu Lux what engine mountings are you using? I keep on busting the drivers side ford mount.

You mustn't use Ford mounts, use Hilux mounts. Ask Hoppy about it. :D

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:54 am

Darryl

Is it breaking or still melting?

If it is breaking Alan told me he use a peacer of old safety belt which he raps around the mounting to ensure it does not tear again.

Riceburner · Post by **Riceburner** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:10 am

The mounts are tearing. I am going to install hilux ones today.

BenHur · Post by **BenHur** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:21 am

Well try the safety belt thing as Alan suggested, I am going to do the same on mine as well. If you can get a damaged piece of safety belt from a scrapyard it should not cost you an arm and a leg.

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:10 pm

Will my standard toy gearbox be able to take the strain and will the ratios be affected in any way?

hilex08 · Post by **hilex08** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 5:35 pm

i'd go for the 3.0l V6

no fuss no buss....no fancy electronic fuel management systems etc etc

plain hard core motor !!!

'n ford wat nie olie lek nie...het nie olie in nie
'n ford wat se tappets nie raas nie.....het nog nie gewerk nie

ek het baie respek vir 'n v6 !!!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 6:17 pm

hilex08 wrote:'n ford wat se tappets nie raas nie.....het nog nie gewerk nie

A noisy tappet is a happy tappet....

Ek stem met jou saam. Die Ford V6 het daai respek by my verdien..

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:05 pm

Darryl, I am using 4Y engine mounts from Midas. ~R40 bucks. Had no issues so far.

MIDAS 4YEngine mountings: RB073 R 34.24ea

Pampoen, I traced my motor via the engine number at the Ford factory. Seems it was built for a Sierra when sourced by JT Developments. Power and torque are much better than the 4Y, fuel consumption a bit worse (5km/L).

I had to have the came re-ground as it had worn spots, so not sure how much valve lift I lost. I have never set it up proffesionally on a Dyno or anything, just set the carb up as per the Weber website, and the timing to workshop manual spec. Offroad low rev torque is awsome. I actually find 2nd low too "fast" when climbing steep hills and get smoother climbing in 1st low, against common practice.

The bakkie I took the motor from did ~ 200 000 km's on the standard gearbox, no hassles. Bellhousing was from Gilo Engineering. I rev at just over 3000 RPM at 100km/h.

Hilex08, I built this motor not to leak oil, and it doesn't

(and yes, it does have oil in)

As for tappets, YES they are noisy even when set correcty, although they say set them when hot, by the time you've stripped to covers off, the engine has normally cooled down...

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:20 pm

If you are going to install a Ford V6, then you need to re shape the firewall to clear the cylinderhead on the passenger side. I only found that out when I had spend 2 hours dropping the motor in. So, out she came again.

Not a big job. Sit on the front axle and wield your 5 pound hammer

pampoen · Post by **pampoen** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:34 pm

Hilex08, I built this motor not to leak oil, and it doesn't

(and yes, it does have oil in)

How did you manage this?

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:05 pm

Clean surfaces, new gaskets, Loctite shellak and an unrushed assembly...

Riceburner · Post by **Riceburner** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:58 am

Sifu-Lux did the 4y engine mounts come with the metal piece that goes on top?

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 9:08 pm

No, just the mount. I fitted mine without the 4Y metal cover.

Looking back, maybe I should have transferred it as a heat shield. I can't remember if
it would have fitted with the fabricated engine mounts for the V6.

Here's the 4Y mount used for the V6

hilex08 · Post by **hilex08** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:46 pm

pampoen wrote:Hilex08, I built this motor not to leak oil, and it doesn't (and yes, it does have oil in)

How did you manage this?

only joking !!!! mine was dry all the years !!!!

only started using oil after a couple of years, but that was extreme rough handling.
overhauled the motor again and it was fine for a couple of more years.

until the lexus was fitted

Andries · Post by **Andries** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:38 pm

Watse camgear gebruik jul op die Ford V6? Die oorspronklike, Aluminuim of staal? Waar kan ek een kry en wat is die beste? Oorspronklike punte distibutor of elektroniese een?

Sifu-Lux · Post by **Sifu-Lux** » Thu Sep 03, 2009 10:47 pm

Using the original fibre gear/steel gear setup. I think Alert Engine parts sell the Aluminium gear in place of the fibre gear.

I am still running points and condensor in the Bosch dizzy.

No problems so far.

TOYMAD · Post by **TOYMAD** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:20 pm

Go for the 3.oL. I had a JT3000 conversion with the German Cologne version in my old Lux from a Ford 20M. If you can get one of these, you're in the pound seats. Had a lot more torque than the Essex version. This I know as a mate of mine had an Essex with Wildcat branches en all and going up Fishers hill in 5th gear, he couldn't catch me in 4th. His was a DJ conversion. Never any "will leave you stuck" trouble, except I replaced the clutch after many years. The petrol tended to perculate in the Weber. That got sorted by going to a 4-core Rad and I fitted a fuel pump from a Dyna. Oh yes, she started to give a puff of smoke when cold starting, which was sorted with 3.0L Skyline valve-stem seals. I am also playing with the idea of doing this conversion to my 2.4D. You don't need a tool box if you have a Ford V6, you only need "bloudraad" and a pair of pliers.

PERS KERS · Post by **PERS KERS** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 1:05 am

Is daar iemand wat sou belangstel aan n' kompleet Ford v6 ombouing vir n' Hi Lux, ek het so pas een uitgehaal.

chopper · Post by **chopper** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 6:33 am

Prys en tegniese detail?

PERS KERS · Post by **PERS KERS** » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:43 pm

chopper, die enjin het seker 800km op na oorgedoen is, twee petersburg vergassers op, SAC het die headers gebou ,57 mm uitlaatstelsel, kragstuur, olie verkoeler ,radiator, Gilo bellhousing met clutch kit ek weet nie hoeveel kw ens het hy op die dyno gedoen nie maar hy klik baie goed en start maklik, al wat gedoen moet word is enjin mount en chassis brackets dan pas hy in n' Hi lux. R 18000.00

DOELLOOS · Post by **DOELLOOS** » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:38 am

Ek hou nogal van my V8... Ook 'n Ford, net twee silinders meer as die V6...

Ook super betroubaar, en werk met 'n Holley 4 barrel carb. Geen elektriese en dicktator probleme nie. Behalwe ek moes al die relay vir die hoofligte vervang.

Leeuplesier · Post by **Leeuplesier** » Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:46 pm

Ek ry nou al die V6's vir die laaste 18 jaar en het nog geen probleme gehad met die ou V6 motors nie. Voordat ek oorgeskakel het na Toyota toe het ek n Mazda magnum 3.4 4x4 gehad waarmee ek baie probleme met sy verkoeling gehad het en het hom toe maar met sy probleem en al gesmous. My eerste SFA het ek eers in 2001 gekry en die was n 2.2 wat nie te bad was nie maar daar het iets gekort waaraan ek gewoond was, die bietjie ekstra krag en natuurlik die dreuning van die V6 waaraan soveel van ons verslaaf is. Ek het die ombouing self gedoen na n normale 3.0 V6 cCortina motor en het geen probleme gehad tot my agterent begin juk het. Ek het hom verkoop en een gekoop wat n 3.4V6 JT ombouing in gehad het. Die motor was die sogenaamde stroker motors wat JT self gebou het vir meer performance. Ongelukkig was ek toe die ou gewees wat probleme met die motor opgetel het en moes hom toe kompleet laat oordoen. Op die einde moes ek toe maar n kompleet oorgedoende subassembly koop. Parte is moeilik verkrygbaar vir die 3.4 motors. Die agente kan jou nie meer help nie en pirate parts raak ook al skaars. Ek stel voor dat jy die ou 3.0 V6 gebruik en net sy cam verander om jou beter torque te gee op laer revolusies. As jy ingedagte hou dat ek n Jurgens Exclusive sleep sal jy verstaan hoekom ek maar lief is vir die ombouing. Sy ratverhouding is puik. Hy is welliswaar nou nie n spoedvraat van formaat nie, maar krag is daar oorgenoeg.

PERS KERS · Post by **PERS KERS** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:45 am

Ek het net n paar vrae; Sifu-Lux , ek het nou n' V6 uitgehaal maar die bakwerk was nerens geslaan nie, wat was die probleem by jou Hi Lux of het iemand dit vir jou gedoen?

V8 Interceptor; gebruik jy auto of manual; wat het jy alles op die Holly verander om te kan steil walle ry?

Leeuplesier; het jy nie gevoel as jy niks sleep op 120km/h en jy wil verby gaan is daar net niks veral effense opdraende? dit voel as jy in die dorp ry dat die v6 genoeg krag het tussen 40- 80km/h maar op die oop pad voel hy swakker as die 4y.

Het iemand van die Ford hi lux nooit oorweeg om die Saffire 3.0 RS met sy efi te gebruik nie, daai efi std kan nie so duur wees nie?

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:39 am

PERS KERS wrote:V8 Interceptor; gebruik jy auto of manual; wat het jy alles op die Holly verander om te kan steil walle ry?

Daai Hilux gaan nie walle ry nie, hy gaan net Golf GTi's dice op die teerpad.....

PERS KERS wrote:Het iemand van die Ford hi lux nooit oorweeg om die Saffire 3.0 RS met sy efi te gebruik nie, daai efi std kan nie so duur wees nie?

Dit is al gedoen en dit werk baie lekker. Ek het 'n EFI intake manifold vir iemand in die Kaap wat dit wil doen...

PERS KERS · Post by **PERS KERS** » Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:14 am

Daai Hilux gaan nie walle ry nie, hy gaan net Golf GTi's dice op die teerpad.....

Ek is seker daar is n' beter Toyota enjin beskikbaar om dit mee te doen ?

DOELLOOS · Post by **DOELLOOS** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 7:42 am

Ja, die 7MGTE, gaan lees maar oor hom hier op die forum onder 7MGTE....

PERS KERS · Post by **PERS KERS** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 8:21 am

ja ek het hom in gehad vir 4 jr nou trek ek al by n' 2jzgte met std ecu ens baie sterk ombouing, ek het hom nog nie op n dyno gehad nie want ek gebruik std ecu, maar glo my hy loop sterk 4x4 ,sleep ens. Groete

DOELLOOS · Post by **DOELLOOS** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:22 am

Ja jong, as die conversion ding eers in jou bloed is... Suckers for punishment, maar as die goed werk!!!

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Mon Feb 01, 2010 5:59 pm

well have just had a quick read, so hope I did not miss any points, and hope me not repeating any thing!!

yes the 3.0L are great, however there is an hidden gem, that very few people know about, another one of those where the manufacturer got it all wrong for various reasons!!!

so let me give my 10c worth here!!

self have the Ford 3.4 V6 and have considered going back to the 3.0L till I learned few things!!

why is the 3.4L not stronger:
well when Ford was busy developing the motor they had a choice of cams from a cam manufacturer, Ford SA took the cam that produced the less amount of power and torque, one of the reasons being that the gearbox suppliers were not happy to take the risk of the extra power!!
where the those boxes are actually very strong!! as strong as a toyota box, yes!!
and have played with toyota gearboxes before!!! done a few conversions!!

yes also true that some of the 3.4l had a heat issue, yes also true, my 3.4 does run hotter then what the 3.0 did, it is a bigger motor and it does produce more power, it has to produce more heat!!
and my 3.4 does have a heat issue, although only when towing 1.6 tons coming back from he coast, in traffic on the hottest summer day, bumper to bumper crawling on the highway, stayed perfectly cool!! yes my 3.4 does still have a issue somewhere!!
that is part of the reason why I am here, to get plenty info to make a proper decision about the Lexus V8

now back on the 3.4, with a nice cam, nothing radical, with a nice set of heads, and it will shine just like any other V6 of similar size!! hence the rev limit of 5400rpm on those motors

how do I know all this
have met and am in regular contact with one of the guys involved in the developing of the 3.4 V6!!
and a good friend's brother works in the same department and has confirmed the info!!

busy convincing myself out of the Lexus V8 conversion!!!! eish!!!

any case the 3.4 had Hydraulic lifters, those did not last for ever, however my one has taken a beeting!!

as for the engine mountings, have you guys ever tried the Sierra mountings they have a fluid inside, and can take a hammering, ask me!!

sadly these motors were not EFI, and the EFI manifolds are as scarce as chicken teeth!!
however the original carburetor manifolds can be converted into EFI manifolds, there is engineering work to it!!
not just bolt on!!

well think I have said enough for now!!!

519franco · Post by **519franco** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:03 pm

FORD V6 RULES

Spartan · Post by **Spartan** » Wed Jan 25, 2012 11:07 pm

519franco wrote:FORD V6 RULES

Net omdat jy nog nie krag gevoel het nie, dit is soos om n donkiekar tevergelyk met n Fighter jet

scout · Post by **scout** » Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:40 pm

There are only a few things in this world that sounds nicer than a well tuned Ford V6 with twin pipes hitting the high notes and keeping it.....

does anyone still have this clip?

kfxnando · Post by **kfxnando** » Sat Oct 13, 2012 8:42 am

wow

rereading this thread brings back memories

the heat issue that I had on my 3.4 V6 turns out was the sealing ring had a crack, not blown through.
hence why it would only overheat sometimes

part of the problem is that I bough the engine second hand and it had been rebuilt before I got it, and they did not use Payen gaskets
one on these V6 s it Payen only. it did over 42000 km with the intermittent heat issue
that is now fixed although it now has other issues

this thread is bad news, makes me wonder if I should just redo the V6 or finish the lexus conversion

wish