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I think it's time to plan a weekend away.....or for those who can't, come for the day!

Come and join us at the famous, Doornrivier 4x4 Farm, only 2 hours drive from Krugersdorp, near Zeerust.

Details here: http://www.doornrivier.co.za/homepage.aspx

Doornrivier is located +-12km outside Zeerust (North West)
GPS Co-ordinates: S 25'28'917 E 26'07'251

Accommodation available:
- Campsites (with electricity) R50.00 pppn
- Farmhouse (x4 bedrooms) R100.00 pppn
- Log Cabins (x3 Limited bookings) R300.00 per cabin (booked) (reserved )
- Kudu house sleeps x5/6 (x1 not on their website) @ R500.00 p/night (reserved)

There is a swimming pool available (dam with a deck)

The farm has four, 4x4 routes that have been graded by Drive-Out and routes vary from 1 - 70km, and consist of mountains, rock and sand terrain. R150.00 per vehicle. I will get the booking details shortly.

Payment Details:
50% Deposit
Bank: ABSA Zeerust
Code: 334340
Rek: 9190551950

Email asb bewys van betaling na: andrev@gds.co.za
Kontak persoon: Marisa 0832765081 / 0186423394 (middag)


We will drive a route on Saturday, and arrange a route for Sunday for those that want!

I have been to Doornrivier and sure others that have been there will agree. It is a nice place!!!!

Hope to see you there :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Please add your name to the list to confirm asap, as we need to book in advance...

CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
Tjokkie - Rikus, Dalene Adam - log cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Marius Smit - Marius, Carmen en Olinka (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Toppie - Dave en vrou (kamp)
Suidwes1 - Nico en 'n blou bul ondersteuner! :lol: (kamp)
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CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande
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Ek sal vir die dag gaan, seker alleen, met Oupa!

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En ry alweer met Jan Tuisbly se karretjie... :cry:
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Scorpion wrote:En ry alweer met Jan Tuisbly se karretjie... :cry:
Jy moet daai karretjie verkoop... hy laat jou baie uitmis :shifty: :shifty:
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Jy moet daai karretjie verkoop... hy laat jou baie uitmis
Ai, nou nou kan Bennie nie eens daai petrol probleem uitsorteer nie..... :roll:

Diesel, diesel, diesel :wave: :wave: :wave: .....ry nog :lol:
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Aai Mark hoekom nou die naweek ons ry die Rebel Challenge in Ermelo die selle naaweek waar ou Claas bietjie gaan rofstooie :twisted: :twisted:

Julle moet dit geniet Doornrivier 4x4 Farm is baie lekker, iets van alles van mild to wild :thumbup:
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Pype wrote:Aai Mark hoekom nou die naweek ons ry die Rebel Challenge in Ermelo die selle naaweek waar ou Claas bietjie gaan rofstooie :twisted: :twisted:

Julle moet dit geniet Doornrivier 4x4 Farm is baie lekker, iets van alles van mild to wild :thumbup:
Is die Rebel event nie die 20ste nie?
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CasKru wrote:Is die Rebel event nie die 20ste nie?
Nee dit is die 27ste.
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Pype wrote:
CasKru wrote:Is die Rebel event nie die 20ste nie?
Nee dit is die 27ste.
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Gaan beslis NIE weer 'n trip soos Sequiti mis nie!!!

Eks in: Dalene Adam en myself - log cabin asb Mark!!!

Moet ek solank deposit betaal?
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Tjokkie wrote:Gaan beslis NIE weer 'n trip soos Sequiti mis nie!!!

Eks in: Dalene Adam en myself - log cabin asb Mark!!!

Moet ek solank deposit betaal?
Betaal sommer myne ook seblief man :D: :D:
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Moet ek solank deposit betaal?
Ja, ek wag net vir 'n email reply wat ek gister gestuur het.

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Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
Dalene Adam en myself - log cabin asb Mark!!!
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Julle moet dit baie geniet manne en dames, lyk lekker daar...

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Hi, hier is die Bank besonderhede van Doornrivier:

Payment Details:
50% Deposit
Bank: ABSA Zeerust
Code: 334340
Rek: 9190551950

Email asb bewys van betaling na: andrev@gds.co.za
Kontak persoon: Marisa 0832765081 / (0186423394 net namiddag)
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Doornrivier is a very nice trail. There are four or five routes ranging from grade 1 to grade4/5. It has water crossings, valleys, ascents, descents and the weirdest sandstone/ant hill formations you've ever seen! It is some 10km outside Zeerust so not too far if you need to stock up from town.


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Family_Dog wrote:Doornrivier is a very nice trail. There are four or five routes ranging from grade 1 to grade4/5. It has water crossings, valleys, ascents, descents and the weirdest sandstone/ant hill formations you've ever seen! It is some 10km outside Zeerust so not too far if you need to stock up from town.


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I love Doornrivier! But at this stage the cottage at the Vaal River is my priority, yesterday afternoon the water had less than one metre to go before entering the cottage. We had to remove all the furniture which I had stored in the boatlocker, that will also be under water. The level is expected to rise at least three metres from yesterday's level, and in fact by now the cottage is probably already under water as the river had already burst its banks with three sluice gates open, now there are 14 open with the possibility of more sluices being opened :(

When the water level eventually starts declining, it will be one very big cleanup. The filthy mud and debris remains behind. Sad thing is I painted the cottage inside and out just last month.

Maybe we should hold the next GTG at the Boat Club... bring your mops and working clothes! :mrgreen:


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Hi Julle Hi-Luxers,

Marius,Carmen en Olinka -Land Rover familie
Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise -Prado Familie (Vellies)

Ons almal sien julle vroeg Saterdag oggend en slaap oor Saterdag aand.

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Just for Eric....

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Have fun cleaning that up...
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Email aan Doornrivier 4x4:
Hi Marisa, hier is sover die name van die ouens wat u kan bespreek / reserve:

CasKru - Cassie, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (Vrydag + Saterdag)
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande ( Vrydag + Saterdag)
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry (geen oorslaap)
Tjokkie - Rikus, Dalene Adam - log cabin 2 aande (Vrydag + Saterdag)
Marius Smit - Marius, Carmen en Olinka (Net Saterdag oornag vir eers) - Koedoe Huis
Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Net Saterdag vir eers) Koedoe Huis

Hier is die 'link' na ons uitnidiging van die ouens!
viewtopic.php?f=56&t=10322&start=0

Ek sal die name deurstuur soos wat die ouens bevestig!

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Marisa, het die volgende email aan my gestuur:
Ons groepbespreking werk as volg Koste vir 4x4 is R150.00 per voertuig vir hele naweek
Indien daar 10 voertuie of meer is is die koste R100.00 per voertuig vir die naweek
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My nuwe X5 sal nie daar kan cope nie sorry
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OOOOMS wrote:
CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved) - Deposit paid
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved) - Deposit paid
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
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Marius Smit - Marius, Carmen en Olinka (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
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Riaan, nou waar is die ouens van Noord Wes? Rustenburg.....
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Nee, die noordwesters is lyk my n klomp web wheelers.
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BenHur wrote:My nuwe X5 sal nie daar kan cope nie sorry
Koop dan 'n Prado dan hoef jy nie by die huis te bly nie...... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Ek en SWAMBO sal daar wees. Dit sal ons eerste kamp saam met die Hilux klub wees
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100% Dave, hulle is meer as welkom :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Laat my asb weet of julle gaan kamp of in die plaashuis bly!

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CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
Tjokkie - Rikus, Dalene Adam - log cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Marius Smit - Marius, Carmen en Olinka (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Toppie - Dave en vrou (kamp)

En so groei die lysie stadig maar seker :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: As iemand net die NW ouens kan bietjie innie hande kan kry..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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OOOOMS wrote:CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
Tjokkie - Rikus, Dalene Adam - log cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Marius Smit - Marius, Carmen en Olinka (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Toppie - Dave en vrou (kamp)

En so groei die lysie stadig maar seker :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: As iemand net die NW ouens kan bietjie innie hande kan kry..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jy sien... die ouens in NW kla altyd ons kom nooit soentoe nie... en nou dat ons doen.... :cry: :cry:
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.....kruip hulle weg.... :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey, ek ken net 3 NW members, en een van hulle gaan sy huis langs die rivier blykbaar skoonmaak :twisted:
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Ek sou bitter graag wou kom, maar die manne hier hou nie van ander goed as Hiluxe nie, so ek sit hom maar uit...

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Bring maar mammie se patrollie. Ons sal nie vir jou lag nie, en ons sal jou sleep wanneer jy breek en vassit :twisted:
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DOELLOOS wrote:Ek sou bitter graag wou kom, maar die manne hier hou nie van ander goed as Hiluxe nie, so ek sit hom maar uit...

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Nee man... moet nou nie so wees nie... daai Landy van jou is mos nog spik splinter nuut.... hy gaat mos nie nou dadelik al iets breek nie :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Soos ek verstaan het Doornrivier geniune obstacles :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ek het dit nie gese nie....

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Cassie, lyk my jy het vergeet van daai olie op die middelmannetjie by Sequiti. Ewald was met sy Landi voor daai ander Landi, so ek dink hy moet eerder mammie se patrollie vat. Daai Landi is naby aan breek, as hy dalk al klaar gebreek het nie ( dis nou hoekom hy alreeds verskonings uitdink om nie te gaan nie ) :twisted:
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Waar was JY die aand van Bennie se ongeluk Riaan?????

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:Waar was JY die aand van Bennie se ongeluk Riaan?????

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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x-V8, Doelloss whatever jy wil wees, bring daai landy, daar is baie Luxes wat jou sal recover......for free... :!: :!: :!: :wink: :wink:

Cassie kan die toue supply...with compliments :lol:
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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CasKru - Cas, Linda, Danika en Ruben - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
OOOOMS / OOOODS - Mark en Danelle - Log Cabin 2 aande (reserved)
Toyx4 - Riaan en Oupa - Saterdag ry
Tjokkie - Rikus, Dalene Adam - log cabin 2 aande (reserved)
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Vellies - Derik,Belinda,Rene,Bertus,Charl & Charlise (Saterdag / Sondag) (reserved)
Toppie - Dave en vrou (kamp)
Suidwes1 - Nico en girlfriend :lol:

En so nog 'n GP :?:
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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OOOOMS wrote:x-V8, Doelloss whatever jy wil wees, bring daai landy, daar is baie Luxes wat jou sal recover......for free... :!: :!: :!: :wink: :wink:

Cassie kan die toue supply...with compliments :lol:
Hier's vir jou 'n tou... mooi hemp wat jy aan het en ek like jou bakkie
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Gaan daar darem 'n kompetisie wees???

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:Gaan daar darem 'n kompetisie wees???

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Oja... tussen ons Hiluxe gaan ons kyk wie van ons kan jou die meeste kere recover :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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En as ek met die nuwe Land Cruiser V6 4.0 petrol stasiewa kom?????

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:En as ek met die nuwe Land Cruiser V6 4.0 petrol stasiewa kom?????

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Dan kan jy ook aan die kompetisie deel neem :)
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:En as ek met die nuwe Land Cruiser V6 4.0 petrol stasiewa kom?????

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Bring daai wa Ewald, laat ek vir die maats op lccsa kan vertel van hom :twisted:
Is jy ernstig, kom die stasiewa nou in petrol uit? Het jy nou weer n pre-launch model? Vir hoe lank gaan dit nog geheim bly?
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Toyota has announced a number of specification changes for the popular Land Cruiser Pick Up and Station Wagon models. Along with these changes come new nomenclatures with the Pick Up now known as the LC79, and the Station Wagon as the LC76.

The LC79 Petrol Pick Up is now fitted with a new generation all aluminium 4,0-litre V6 engine – the 1GR-FE unit that has proved so successful in the Hilux and Fortuner models. This engine produces 170 kW, an improvement of 5% on the previous 4,5 litre engine, with 360 Nm of torque. Aside from increased power, this new generation engine provides for improved operating efficiencies together with significantly lower emissions.

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:Toyota has announced a number of specification changes for the popular Land Cruiser Pick Up and Station Wagon models. Along with these changes come new nomenclatures with the Pick Up now known as the LC79, and the Station Wagon as the LC76.

The LC79 Petrol Pick Up is now fitted with a new generation all aluminium 4,0-litre V6 engine – the 1GR-FE unit that has proved so successful in the Hilux and Fortuner models. This engine produces 170 kW, an improvement of 5% on the previous 4,5 litre engine, with 360 Nm of torque. Aside from increased power, this new generation engine provides for improved operating efficiencies together with significantly lower emissions.

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Jy moet dalk vir 'n motor tydskrif gaan werk... jy weet nogal waarvan jy praat :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Ek weet die pick up kom nou met die V6 uit, maar jy het gepraat van die stasiewa
DOELLOOS wrote:En as ek met die nuwe Land Cruiser V6 4.0 petrol stasiewa kom?????

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Ek weet nie of ek al iets mag se nie...

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Ja, mag niks se of wys nie...sorry...

Die Defender is darem nog daar...maar hy gaan eers die Defender Trophy in Swaziland ry...
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Yo kerels....

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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DOELLOOS wrote:Ja, mag niks se of wys nie...sorry...

Die Defender is darem nog daar...maar hy gaan eers die Defender Trophy in Swaziland ry...
Toemaar, jy het genoeg gese!

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Mark ek en my girlfriend ( sy gaan jou d%$d maak oor die bloubul storie, maar dit is tussen julle twee ) sal kom.
Moet net nie vir Irene se nie. Sy hou nie daarvan dat ek my girlfriend naweke uitneem nie. In die week is ok, maar naweke raak sy nogal kwaai. Regte ou tierkat.

Ja die Boshoff`s sal daar wees.

Ek hoop jy het vir die manne gese om te kyk of hulle recovery toerusting reg is. Daarmee bedoel ek reg is. Winches, snatch ropes en !!!!!!!!

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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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Sal laaik om te gaan ,maar ek dink ek sal moet werk daai naweek :(
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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legend35 wrote:Sal laaik om te gaan ,maar ek dink ek sal moet werk daai naweek :(
Ag nee ma... moenie so dink nie
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Re: North West - GTG 26/27/28 February Doornrivier 4x4

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:oops: :oops: Sien nou eers raak, nadat ek die luxletter vandag gelees het.
Sal dit moontlik wees om net vir die dag deur te kom (Saterdag)?

Hopelik is ek teen daai tyd al op nuwe rubber, so dit sal gaan lekker wees. My Continental Wolrd contact slicks ry nie meer so lekker van die pad af nie (ook nie op die pad nie).
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