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Dag almal,
Ek het vroeer dieselfde onderwerp gepost maar sonder n subject en ek sien hom nerens so ek skryf hom maar weer.
Het enige iemand dalk nuus of inligting oor die nuwe Hilux wat in 2012 die huidige lux gaan vervang.Ek wonder maar net want ek hoor van al die ander vervaardigers hoe hulle nuwe bakkies gaan wees maar ek hoor niks van die Lux nie.Want vandat die Amarok bekend gestel is hoor mens net negatiewe nuus oor die D4D,hoe min krag hy het en hoe klein sy bak is en wat nog als!Ek wil eintlik net weet wat gaan Toyota se antwoord wees op die kritiek wat hy kry en hoe gaan hy maak om S.A. se gunstelling bakkie die gunstelling te hou.
Hoop iemand het al bietjie inligting om te deel.
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Ek weet nog van niks..
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Daar is min inligting rakende die model. Al wat ek weet is dit gaan weer 'n heeltemal nuwe model wees en nie net weer 'n facelift nie. Ek is ook nie geworried dat Hilux sy titel as die gunstelling gaan verloor nie. Jy weet mos 'n nuwe besem vee mos die skoonste. Gee die Amakrok net so bietjie kans en kyk of jy dieselfde punishment kan vat as die Hilux.
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Een van die dae kom die nuwe Ford Ranger uit, groter en beter as die Amakrok.
Dan gaan ons hoor watse nuwe standaarde hy stel, want hy het so een of twee dinge features meer as die Amakrokkie.

Toyota hou altyd maar hul nuwe modelle hoog geheim tot op die einde. Maar ek glo hy sal n wenner wees!
Ek dink ons sal eers teen die einde van die jaar iets begin sien of hoor van hom
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Ek dink ook nie dat Toyota sommer sy titel as die gunstelling bakkie sal verloor nie.As ek dit nou reg het gaan die nuwe Ford 470nm he,Alhoewel hy n 3.2L enjin gaan he(ek dink)gaan Toyota dit navolg of nie,as hulle doen dan gaan die ouens met die Prado,s heel ongelukkig wees met hulle 400nm,dit maak nie vir my sin nie,Hoe kan n goedkoper(Hilux) meer krag he as n duurder meer "upmarket"(Prado)??Of gaan die Prado ook n upgrade kry met die bekentstelling van die nuwe Lux?Of gaan hulle die Hilux ook net 400nm gee soos die Prado en ons moet maar tevrede wees daarmee.Hoeveel kritiek gaan Toyota dan lok met hulle "swak" Lux want dan is sy specs dieselfde as die huidige Ford.Ek wil nie die Ford aanval of iets nie,dis n baie lekker bakkie.
Ek hoop maar Toyota doen hulle huiswerk,ek glo hulle sal.Ons sal seker maar moet wag en kyk.
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Weet ook nie veel van die nuwe Hilux af nie maar van sy afwerkings kan jy sien dat daar veranderings aangebring is. Dit lyk op die oog af of sy bak groter is sowel as die binneruim. Die kant flikker ligte is nie meer op die fender nie maar op die kant spieels. Die wiele lyk ook groter. Kan nie wag om die specs te sien nie...
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Ek is bly dat iemand darrem iets weet.Dinge is so geheimsinnig ek het al begin dat Toyota al vergeet het om n nuwe Lux te begin ontwerp.Het jy dalk n foto of n website waar ons n fototjie of iets kan sien.Dit sal nice wees as hulle hom soos die Amerikaanse Tacoma of Tundra kan maak,hy hoef nie so groot tewees nie maar hy kan maar so lyk. :lol:
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11 February 2011
Battle of the Big Guns



Battle of the Big Guns,br> The new Volkswagen Amarok is now officially on sale here. But the Amarok remains shrouded in controversy. Word on the proverbial street is: “Sure I’d buy an Amarok – if it didn’t have a two-litre engine. It won’t be able to carry a load, or tow anything. And will it last?” So this is it. A special test between the Amarok and its obvious enemy, the top-selling Toyota Hilux. Each will carry 780kg of weight. And each will tow an off-road caravan, weighing a ton. This is what happened

Text: Danie Botha and GG van Rooyen
Photography: Jannie Herbst and GG van Rooyen

After more than 600 Volkswagen Amarok bakkies were delivered to customers in November 2010, the alarm bells must have sounded in the offices of all the other bakkie brands.
Indeed, it seems as if the Amarok is destined to make the runner-up sales position in the double cab segment its own. Good news for the other manufacturers is that, for now, Volkswagen SA are limited to the number of units it can import (it’s built in Argentina), due to the Amarok’s popularity in international markets.
Still, it will need a rather substantial miracle for the Amarok to come even close to the Hilux, which regularly sells more than 1000 double cab units per month.
General Motors will be slightly more concerned. The older Isuzu KB has traditionally been the undisputed number two bakkie, but now has to bank on its solid reputation and customer loyalty as the next-generation KB is only due here in the beginning of 2012.
Adding further reason for worry in the Isuzu camp is the fact that Nissan’s Navara has also started selling in bigger volumes, and it now occasionally breaks through the 250-per-month mark.
But the VW Amarok is the real cat amongst the pigeons in the double cab segment. It’s modern and fresh, safer than any bakkie ever sold in SA, spacious on the inside, suitably large and stylish on the outside, and also well-priced.
But there is one major issue with the Amarok. And that, if you believe the anti-Amarok lobbyists, is the engine.
Volkswagen decided to equip the Amarok with a 1968cc four-cylinder turbodiesel engine. Sure, the top BiTDI version is equipped with two turbochargers, but 1968 cubic centimetres is still 1968 cubic centimetres.
Leisure Wheels reader Andre Calitz, who has owned four VW Transporter T5 vans fitted with the older 2,5-litre, five-cylinder turbodiesel and loved them all dearly, recently acquired the latest T5 bus – that is now also fitted with the 1968cc twin-turbo diesel engine.
Now Andre, who happens to be a big Volkswagen fan, is foaming at the mouth about this new engine in his beloved bus.
“For the past five years I’ve been towing a heavy trailer with my heavily loaded T5 buses, all over the country. And they have been amazing, combining reasonable fuel economy with excellent pulling power. But this new BiTDI engine just doesn’t cut it. The new bus just can’t match the five-cylinder engine for towing performance, and it is heavier on fuel too! Is this progress? I certainly don’t think so,” he says.
So, is the two-litre mill up to the vital task VW has entrusted it with? In this test, conducted at the Gerotek Vehicle Testing facility, situated west of Pretoria, we find out.

How it works
For this test we decided to go the repeatability route, at a suitable facility. We also enrolled the services of independent vehicle testing specialist, Adrian Burford. Together with Adrian, we devised a tough test routine for the VW Amarok 2.0BiTDI 4Motion, and a Toyota Hilux 3.0D-4D Raider 4x4. Importantly, we required the testing conditions and parameters to be exactly the same for each bakkie.
First we would fill the vehicles’ tanks to the brim at the Gerotek filling station. Adrian would then head to the nearby Gerotek high speed oval track, always following the same route, and use exactly the same driving style. Once he was on the track, he would complete 25 laps of the 3km-long circuit in each vehicle, driving at a constant 115 km/h (true speed).
Once this session was done, the performance testing would commence, also on the oval circuit. This would consist of a 0-100 km/h acceleration run, a 60-100 km/h in-gear acceleration test (4th gear), followed by an 80-120 km/h (5th gear) test. Adrian would then head back to the filling station, where the vehicles would again be filled to the limit. The total distance per run would be 89km.
First, both bakkies would run as is. So, no additional weight, other than Adrian and his state-of-the-art Vbox satellite testing gear. For the second round we would up the stakes, and add 780kg to the “bak” of each vehicle, in the form of sand bags.
And, for the last round, we went big, adding a Commander Conqueror, weighing 990kg, to the deal – with the 790kg weight still on the “bak”.
So, that’s a total driving distance of 534km for Adrian – and possibly, some interesting results for us.

Setting some benchmarks
The VW Amarok BiTDi 4Motion was first up on the oval track. Adrian reported via the two-way radio that the Volkswagen was surprisingly comfortable on the bumpy oval track, and that it had absolutely no problems maintaining the required true speed of 115km/h in top gear (sixth). At that speed the engine was ticking over at 2175 r/min.
After completing the 89km run, we refuelled the Amarok – and it was time for the Hilux 3.0D-4D 4x4 to hit the high speed oval.
Now Adrian reported a more bakkie-like ride. Harder, and slightly bouncy on the track. At a true 115 km/h the Hilux’s three-litre engine was spinning at 2500 r/min in top gear (fifth). Finally, almost an hour later, Adrian was back, and we refilled the Toyota.
It was time to analyse the results. The Hilux had sipped 9,1 litres of diesel fuel over the testing distance, for an average consumption figure of 10,2 litres/100km. The Volkswagen, with the benefit of the sixth gear, had needed 8,6 litres to cover the 89km, for an average figure of 9,6 litres/100km. Yes, the Amarok was more fuel efficient. But we had thought the gap would be bigger.
Right, the performance tests. In the 0-100 km/h run, the Toyota was a clear winner, recording a time of 13,3 seconds versus the VW’s surprisingly slow 15,7s. In the 60-100 km/h acceleration run (fourth gear), the Amarok was marginally faster than the Hilux, with a time of 9,3s compared to the Toyota’s 9,7s. But the Toyota had turned the tables comprehensively in the 80-120 km/h test. Here the Amarok managed 14,9s, while the Hilux did it in 13,1s.

“The Amarok feels stronger than the Hilux in the initial part of the flexibility test. This is particularly noticeable in the 80-120 km/h run, but then the VW runs out of steam at the top end of the rev range” – Adrian Burford.

Get a load of this
With 780kg of sandbags added to the bakkies’ loadbins, Adrian hit the road again. We checked his progress via the two-way radio.
“The Volkswagen’s engine note is different with the heavy load, like it is really exerting itself. But the ride is still very good,” Adrian reported over the radio’s speaker.
After the run in the VW was completed, it was the turn of the Hilux. We again checked in with our tester, and enquired about the Hilux.
“The ride is definitely bouncier than the Amarok’s. By the way, do you know that when all the driving is done today, I could have been in Durban, if I had taken the N3 highway?”
Yup, doing 25 laps of the 3km-long Gerotek oval track can make you think about such matters.
When Adrian finally pulled into the filling station with the Hilux, we refuelled it – and it was time to compare numbers again.
The Hilux needed 9,6 litres of fuel after this run with the 780kg added to the bak. That equates to 10,7 litres/100km. The Amarok had again sipped a little bit less than the Hilux, with 9,1 litres of diesel consumed. That works out at 10,2 litres/100km.
Interestingly both the Hilux and Amarok’s consumption had increased by half-a-litre for this test, compared to the first, unladen run.
In the 0-100 km/h run, with that 780kg load, the Volkswagen reduced the time difference to a second – 18,9s versus the Hilux’s 17,9s.
As was the case in the unladen 60-100 km/h test, the Amarok was again faster, but again only marginally. It completed the run in 12,6s compared to the Toyota’s 13,4s. And, continuing the trend set in the unladen test, the Toyota was faster from 80-120 km/h, with a time of 20,3, versus the Amarok’s 21,4s.

“The Amarok and Toyota need to be driven in a slightly different way. The VW seems to reward earlier upshifts and needs to be in the right gear at the right time because of its narrow power band. The Toyota is more “revvy” and because of the inherent torque of the bigger engine is a little bit more forgiving” – Adrian Burford.

The full Monty
The Commander Conqueror, retailing for about R200 000, is a popular piece of off-road caravan kit. Although it is not the heaviest caravan in its class, it still weighs in at a ton (empty). The table had been set with the previous rounds of testing – now it was time for the main course.
With 780kg on the bak, and the Commander in tow, the Amarok kicked off the testing sequence – all the factors remained as before.
Adrian gave us his feedback over the radio.
“I’m almost flat-out here, trying to maintain 115km/h in top gear. It will be interesting to see what the Amarok’s in-gear acceleration will be like,” said the metallic voice.
After the Amarok had completed its rounds, we hooked up the Commander behind the Hilux, and off Adrian went on his last 89km drive.
He was soon on the radio again.
“The Hilux definitely feels more nervous and bouncy than the Amarok on the oval. Oh well… I suppose it’s always been like that,” he said, rhetorically.
Finally Adrian pulled into the filling station for the last time, and we set about our routine to refill the bakkie. And it was time for number crunching again.
Towing the caravan and with the load on the bak, the Amarok had drank 13,1 litres over the 89km test route, for an average consumption of… 14,7 litres/100km. And now, for the first time, the Hilux had the Volkswagen’s number, needing only 12 litres of diesel to cover the same distance. That works out at 13,4 litres/100km.
So the tables had been turned, and by quite a margin too. But what about the performance tests?
In the 0-100 km/h test it was the Hilux that again came out tops – and this time the Japanese bakkie beat its German rival by almost three seconds (31,2s for the Hilux and 34,1s for the VW).
Showing that it is a bit of a 60-100 km/h and fourth-gear specialist, the Amarok beat the Hilux in this test with a time of 24s, compared to the Toyota’s 26,4s.
And lastly, the 80-120 km/h run, in fifth gear. And in this test there was no contest. The Hilux recorded a time of 65,4s, and it took 1,9km for the bakkie and caravan to accelerate from 80 to 120 km/h.
The Volkswagen needed 84,1s to complete the same test. And it required 2,4km to accelerate from 80-120 km/h.
Yikes. That’s how far we used to run during our fitness tests in the Army. And as we recall, 2,4km was a long, long way.

“In terms of stability I’d say the VW had the edge – maybe the trailer stability system was helping. However, it is incredibly easy to stall the VW’s engine when starting from standstill, if the engine falls out of the bottom end of the power band. I also battled with the gearbox. You have to be quite slow and precise into second, and shifting up to third was a clunky and slightly unsatisfactory experience due to the long throw and vague gate” – Adrian Burford.

Summary
This test yielded some interesting results. Firstly, whether the Amarok is running with or without a load on its bak, it is more fuel efficient than the top-selling Hilux – but not by the margin we expected it to be.
It also loses out in the 0-100 km/h acceleration runs to the Hilux, but bounces right back in the 60-100 km/h test, beating the Hilux in all three runs. But the 80-120 km/h test, especially the one with the caravan added to the mix, highlighted an obvious Amarok shortcoming, as experienced in our tests. And that is a very limited power band.
The Amarok’s engine produces its 400Nm of torque at 2000 r/min… but this figure evidently tapers off dramatically once the revs swing past the 2000 r/min mark. The Hilux, on the other hand, combines the inertia of more cubic centimetres with a wide spread of torque.
Its 343Nm of torque may seem considerably less than that of the Amarok, but it peaks as low as 1400 r/min, and remains at a high level long after the rev counter needle has swung past the 2000 r/min mark.
This also explains the Amarok’s performance in the 60-100 km/h test – in fourth gear, between 60 and 100km/h, the engine is operating in its “zone” – and the performance is all there.
But as the speed increases, the Volkswagen’s engine has to be worked harder than the Hilux’s mill. This in turn increases fuel consumption, turning a fuel efficient powerplant into a bit of a guzzler.
So, it seems as if reader Andre Calitz may not be chasing ghosts, after all.

In the end…
The VW Amarok’s car-like ride, the car-like interior (mind, there were a few small quality issues in the test unit’s cabin), and all those standard safety systems, including a trailer stability system that works in conjunction with the bakkie’s electronic stability programme (ESP), still give it a clear edge in the double cab bakkie segment – in spite of the small capacity engine.
And the Hilux? Well, it’s still the solid option. It feels like it will last a lifetime, even though the cabin is not nearly as plush as that of the Amarok. And although the engine is not the most refined or modern mill on the block, its tractability and a proven track record count in its favour.
The verdict? If towing a caravan or heavy trailer is your main reason for acquiring a new double cab bakkie, the Amarok BiTDI may disappoint you in the long run, especially on the open road (with a caravan or heavy trailer in tow).
But if you are in the market for a leisure bakkie that is, for all intents and purposes an SUV with a bak onto which you can load a quad or a few bags of cement, and you don’t have any intention of towing heavy objects over longer distances, then the Amarok is certainly worth having a look at.

“Although the Amarok did not fare so well in the towing test, I still prefer the German bakkie over the Hilux, if I had to live with one. The Amarok, as an overall package, has shifted the goal posts in the bakkie segment” – Adrian Burford.

Reader views of the Amarok

Against

“Since it has a two-litre diesel engine, the Amarok’s torque curve is insufficient for proper off-road work.” – Nathan Cheiman

“The VW’s 1968cc engine is competing in a market where a lot of torque is required. In my opinion, diesel engines suffer when they consistently have to operate at high revolutions.” – Johan Kleynhans

“The VW engine’s 400Nm of torque is available only across a small section of the rev counter. After that, it quickly plummets to 200Nm.” – Christo van Wyk

“The Amarok’s power delivery did not impress me. I think it is overrated. I also found the gearbox to be awkward and finicky, to say the least.” – Dr Kefentse

For

“I doubt VW would have ever tackled the Amarok project without doing its homework. It’s clear that they have identified the strenghts and weaknesses of every other vehicle in the segment and tried to offer a better alternative.” – Jurgen Hontsch

“I took the Amarok for a test drive. And I must admit that I was very impressed. In fact, I fell in love with it instantly.” – Ad Keukelaar

“With South Africans being force-fed a staple of Japanese bakkies, I think many will be ready to try something new. Like a German bakkie.” Amadeus

“The Amarok’s list of standard safety features really impress me. I commend VW for being the first manufacturer to not only sell a bakkie for selling a bakkie’s sakes, but to sell a bakkie that sets new standards in the safety department.” Hennie du Toit

THE ESSENTIAL DATA
VW Amarok Toyota Hilux
Engine 1968cc 2982cc
Four-cylinder Four-cylinder
Bi turbo, intercooled Turbo, intercooled
Power 120 kW @ 4000r/min 120 kW @ 3400r/min
Torque 400 Nm @ 2000r/min 343 Nm @ 1400r/min
Gearbox Six-speed manual Five-speed manual
Price R390 000 R394 700
Tare weight 1848kg 1795kg
Payload 862kg (excluding driver) 971kg (including driver)
Towing capacity (braked) 1500kg 1500kg
Gross combined mass (GCM) 5500kg 4260kg

TEST DATA
UNLADEN TEST
Fuel consumption 9,6 litres/100km 10,2 litres/100km
0-100 km/h 15,7s 13,3s
60-100 km/h (fourth gear) 9,3s 9,7s
80-120 km/h (fifth gear) 14,9s 13,1s
LADEN TEST (780kg)
Fuel consumption 10,1 litres/100km 10,7 litres/100km
0-100 km/h 18,9s 17,9s
60-100 km/h (fourth gear) 12,6s 13,4s
80-120 km/h (fifth gear) 21,4s 20,3s
LADEN PLUS CARAVAN TEST (780kg plus Commander Conqueror)
Fuel consumption 14,7 litres/100km 13,4 litres/100km
0-100 km/h 34,1s 31,2s
60-100 km/h (fourth gear) 24s 26,4s
80-120 km/h (fifth gear) 84,1s (2467m) 65,4s (1900m)

A helping hand

We could not have coducted this test without the assistance of Trailer.co.za, and Tuffstuff 4x4 Insurance. Trailer.co.za, a Midrand-based company that specialises in the rental of trailers of all shapes and sizes, supplied a brand-new Conqueror Commander, valued at around R200 000. And Tuffstuff 4x4 Insurance, a firm that specialises in 4x4 insurance but also provides cover for just about anything else, insured the off-road caravan.
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• amakrok
ISUZU is the 2nd best bakkie in the world becausethey still need to build the best
Posted By: Bennie on 2/11/2011

• Was the tow test done correctly?
I would like to disagree. Towing should have been executed at a gear ratio closes to 1:1 which in both vehicle are 4th gear. This is the golden rule to spare your gearbox and prevent engine excessive labouring. Especially in this case for the Amarok, the 5th gear is taller that the Toyota 5th and the 6th even more so. Drive test it in 4th would have slot the Amarok close to the Toyota if not beating the Toyota in tow ability.If I had the chance designing the gearbox for the Amarok I would have make 6th gear shorter (As tall as the Toyota 5th), spread the ratios more evenly and make 5th gear the 1:1 and enhance smoothness. For Toyota the same 6 speed as above. Gear ration make or break a vehicles drive ability and I believe the Amarok could have been an even better bakkie in this regards.Another question. Does the additional 57NM peak over the Toyota not make it feel weak at higher rpm’s? The torque curve of the Amarok beat the Toyota hands down to just over the 3000rpm mark. In normal driving conditions you will not exceed 3500 rpm 99.9* of the time in a diesel which mean that the Toyota only have the upper hand in the last 400 rpm.
Posted By: Daniel on 2/11/2011

• VW Amarok
Now guys this is where the question come in. For the price of an Amarok and the price of the Hilux, I would still buy Hilux. Known brand. But then again, the amarok is a 2.0 bi-turbo diesel, 1.0 cubic cm less than the Hilux and still kicked its but a little bit. I mean, I am working at Mahindra Motorland in East London, and to see this comparison made my pumping like mad, so excited I got, because I know that our Mahindra scorpio double cab that half the price and still falls in the same class, well, almost the same class will deliver the same affects as what the Hilux done. As I said, I was a Hilux fan but now, I am all Mahindra.
Posted By: Renier@mland.co.za on 2/11/2011

• Disappointing Test
Owing a 4x4 double cab myself I'm not interested in acceleration figures and other on-road performance figures.A huge margin of the bakkie double cab market lies in the 4x4 sector. You tested 2 4x4's with 4x4 caravans (amongst others), did a lot of on-road tests but NO testing off-road? I am by no means a Hilux fan, but think this is where the Hilux will trump the Amarok. Typical 1st or 2nd gear low range off-road work means engine speeds at idle or below speeds where the turbo can assist. I would say this is where the lack of cubic centimeters will really catchup with the Amarok. For anybody that's not into 4x4-ing this may seem a trivial issue but for any real 4x4-er it will be something to keep in mind. I'm already feeling sorry for new Amarok owners 'cause I'm sure it wont be long before VW respond with a proper engine in an otherwise excellent bakkie.
Posted By: WeskusKlong on 2/11/2011
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jacques kotze wrote:Ek is bly dat iemand darrem iets weet.Dinge is so geheimsinnig ek het al begin dat Toyota al vergeet het om n nuwe Lux te begin ontwerp.Het jy dalk n foto of n website waar ons n fototjie of iets kan sien.Dit sal nice wees as hulle hom soos die Amerikaanse Tacoma of Tundra kan maak,hy hoef nie so groot tewees nie maar hy kan maar so lyk. :lol:
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jacques kotze wrote:Ek is bly dat iemand darrem iets weet.Dinge is so geheimsinnig ek het al begin dat Toyota al vergeet het om n nuwe Lux te begin ontwerp.Het jy dalk n foto of n website waar ons n fototjie of iets kan sien.Dit sal nice wees as hulle hom soos die Amerikaanse Tacoma of Tundra kan maak,hy hoef nie so groot tewees nie maar hy kan maar so lyk. :lol:
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Ek het vir 6 jaar by SBV gewerk waar ons in die begin net met toyota gery het en ons voertuie het lag-lag 500000km gehaal sonder probleme. En het ons nou vir jou gery... Letterlik en figuurlik die wit rook uit hulle gery sonder enige genade. Die job moet loop. Toe begin hulle ander voertuie gebruik en die een na die ander het die probleme begin kop uitsteek. Toyota kan maar net voertuie bou wat hou. Hulle het so hier en daar foute maar niks is perfek nie. Die ander voertuie is ook goed, meskien mooier, meer tegnologie, maar hulle kan net nie dieselfde punishment vat nie. Ek het in die verlede VW, Ford, Honda, Opel, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes, Seat, Nissan en Chev gery toe koop ek maar weer `n toyota.
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Die foto lyk heel goed,n ou kan sien hy trek baie na die huidige Lux.As ek so na die scoop op die bonnet kyk lyk dit vir my of hy dieselfde enjin gaan he,of dalk net bietjie "getune"Hoop maar hulle gee hom n kompeteerende enjin in sy klas.
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'n V6 Diesel Auto met 6 gears sal baie nice wees.
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interesting report and what % of km traveled no load, serious off road, and not towing tralier? If answer is very small % then amarok suited. And if u trade every 3 years before mileage high then amarok wins again. In 5 to ten years time will see as 2nd hand bakkies what the resales are like, cause that only when i can afford one :), :boredom:
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Vertaal bietjie die paragraaf op daai blog....

Pra se defender da concorrência, vide Amarok, bem que a Toyota poderia dar uma atualizada na Hilux. Atualização profunda seria bem vinda, com direito a novas lanternas, suporte traseiro mais largo, nova janela lateral traseira, maçanetas maiores, novo retrovisor, além de rodas maiores e novo conjunto óptico.

Klink my die maatjie se jy moet wag vir die Hilux ...
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Borntofish wrote:Vertaal bietjie die paragraaf op daai blog....

Pra se defender da concorrência, vide Amarok, bem que a Toyota poderia dar uma atualizada na Hilux. Atualização profunda seria bem vinda, com direito a novas lanternas, suporte traseiro mais largo, nova janela lateral traseira, maçanetas maiores, novo retrovisor, além de rodas maiores e novo conjunto óptico.

Klink my die maatjie se jy moet wag vir die Hilux ...
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To defend themselves from the competition, see Amarok, and that Toyota could make a date in the Hilux. Update depth would be welcome, complete with new taillights, rear support wider, new rear side window, door handles larger, new rear, plus larger wheels and a new optical assembly.
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Dalk so iets?
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Weet nie of dit net ek is nie,maar dit lyk vir my darrem baie na die Amarok!?Ek sien die rims het net 5 gate vir die studs,wonder of hulle dit 6 gaan maak soos die huidige Lux se rims en of hulle dit 5 gaan hou?Hoop maar hulle maak dit 6 gate. :shock:
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The current Hilux is 5 going on 6 years old. Whilst the comparison is realtive I don't think it is of any real importance. Bring on a new Lux and then lets talk. The Japs do their homework and I don't think they will be flustered with this.
If the Amorok comes out with the 3.0 Tdi V6 or the Tdi V10 as found in the Toureg then they will take some serious bites out of Toyota. The latter would be a dream vehicle but I think the Tdi V6 would be a serious consideration by them. I will go so far as to say I will eat my fishing hat if they don't do it. The other thing: What price will these vehicles be available if the current one is R390K???
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jacques kotze wrote:Weet nie of dit net ek is nie,maar dit lyk vir my darrem baie na die Amarok!?Ek sien die rims het net 5 gate vir die studs,wonder of hulle dit 6 gaan maak soos die huidige Lux se rims en of hulle dit 5 gaan hou?Hoop maar hulle maak dit 6 gate. :shock:
Ek het hom nie ge- "photoshop" nie, net gekry, maar jy kan amper die VW badge sien...................
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The new one looks nice but Iwould still take of those runner boards or the they will just end up bent over a rock in the runner board graveyard. :blackeye: Wonder what the entry angle will be with that big bumper?
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Ou vale1 wrote:
jacques kotze wrote:Weet nie of dit net ek is nie,maar dit lyk vir my darrem baie na die Amarok!?Ek sien die rims het net 5 gate vir die studs,wonder of hulle dit 6 gaan maak soos die huidige Lux se rims en of hulle dit 5 gaan hou?Hoop maar hulle maak dit 6 gate. :shock:
Ek het hom nie ge- "photoshop" nie, net gekry, maar jy kan amper die VW badge sien...................
Rather check this one: http://rafasmatos.blogspot.com/. Thats the real one.
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Ek het gehoor die nuwe hilux kom in 2013 uit - so dan seker Nov/Dec 2012
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Miskien so iets
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Put a ARB on the front and it looks like the current one....
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Die foto van die rooi Lux is die huidige Lux soos die wat ons tans hier het,maar die een is die 4.0 V6 wat deur n maatskappy genaamd TRD racing in Australie op geknap is,dit is maar net die voorste bumper wat anders lyk,ek het op n tyd die specs gehad van die TRD 4.0 V6 maar weet nie meer wat dit is nie. :?
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Hierdie een??

Daai rooi TRD een is weergawe wat jy in Aus kry al so paar jaar.
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Dis hy Ja.
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My handelaar het my laat weet die nuwe "facelift" Hilux is vanaf einde September 2011 beskikbaar. My bakkie is afgeskryf laasweek met 14 800 km's op die klok. Ek koop nou weer dieselfde model.
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Die huidige een is nog steeds vrek mooi
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Amen Cassie.
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Het ook gehoor die nuwe kom eers 2013 uit agv tsunami in Japan. Facelift kom Sept 2011 uit.
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Maak nie saak wanneer hy uitkom nie, dit gaan nogsteeds die moeite werd wees.
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Hulle lyk nooit rerig soos die fotos wat op internet rondgaan nie.

Sal maar wag en sien, maar ek hou van daai grys een, al is dit net 'n facelift...
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Slegte nuus manne, slegs die 2.5 diesel kry n power upgrade. Die 3.0D4D kry net 42Nm by en geen extra Kw nie. Vandag die specsheet by Toyota gesien.
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Hey, 42 Nm is 12 % !!! Nie te versmaai nie!
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Dis sulke dinge wat my suur maak van Toyota, so hy gaan nou eers soveel krag kry soos die meeste van die huidige bakkies al reeds het. Kom ek se julle, as Toyota se verkope met die helfte minder was dan sou hulle plan gemaak het, En as julle mooi gaan dink dan sal julle sien dis ons lojale Toyota ondersteuners se skuld. Want al bring hulle n Toyota met n gras snyer enjin uit sal die meeste hom nog steeds koop en Toyota weet dit!!! Kyk as ek geld gehad het sou ek n blimmen Cruiser gaan koop het want wat de donkie is daar anders wat mens kan koop! Vir die wereld se grootste motor vervaardiger is dit regtig maar swak! Ek hoop maar die verkope val so baie met die nuwe bakkie se verkope dat hulle agterkom hulle moet die lojale ouens bietjie lojaliteit bewys!MAAK N ORDENTLIKE BLIMMEN ENJIN TOYOTA!!! julle het die fasiliteite daarvoor.
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Ek het gehoop ver iets heeltemal nuut. Die link reken ons in SA sal nit die 2.5 D4D sien?

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Jacques, ek het al hieroor gedink - is dit nie juis die rede hoekom hulle so betroubaar is nie? Toyota probeer nie meer uit die enjin tap as waarvoor hy ontwerp is nie, dus hoef hy homself nie te oorwerk nie en die effek hiervan is 'n enjin wat langer hou?
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Ja,Ek is seker Toyota het hulle rede hoekom hulle enjins so "under powerd" is. Maar maggies dis partykeer maar vrustreerend. :?
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Ek hoor jou. Maar dis darem 'n Hilux! Nuff said!
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jacques kotze wrote:Dis sulke dinge wat my suur maak van Toyota, so hy gaan nou eers soveel krag kry soos die meeste van die huidige bakkies al reeds het. Kom ek se julle, as Toyota se verkope met die helfte minder was dan sou hulle plan gemaak het, En as julle mooi gaan dink dan sal julle sien dis ons lojale Toyota ondersteuners se skuld. Want al bring hulle n Toyota met n gras snyer enjin uit sal die meeste hom nog steeds koop en Toyota weet dit!!! Kyk as ek geld gehad het sou ek n blimmen Cruiser gaan koop het want wat de donkie is daar anders wat mens kan koop! Vir die wereld se grootste motor vervaardiger is dit regtig maar swak! Ek hoop maar die verkope val so baie met die nuwe bakkie se verkope dat hulle agterkom hulle moet die lojale ouens bietjie lojaliteit bewys!MAAK N ORDENTLIKE BLIMMEN ENJIN TOYOTA!!! julle het die fasiliteite daarvoor.
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jacques kotze wrote:Dis sulke dinge wat my suur maak van Toyota, so hy gaan nou eers soveel krag kry soos die meeste van die huidige bakkies al reeds het. Kom ek se julle, as Toyota se verkope met die helfte minder was dan sou hulle plan gemaak het, En as julle mooi gaan dink dan sal julle sien dis ons lojale Toyota ondersteuners se skuld. Want al bring hulle n Toyota met n gras snyer enjin uit sal die meeste hom nog steeds koop en Toyota weet dit!!! Kyk as ek geld gehad het sou ek n blimmen Cruiser gaan koop het want wat de donkie is daar anders wat mens kan koop! Vir die wereld se grootste motor vervaardiger is dit regtig maar swak! Ek hoop maar die verkope val so baie met die nuwe bakkie se verkope dat hulle agterkom hulle moet die lojale ouens bietjie lojaliteit bewys!MAAK N ORDENTLIKE BLIMMEN ENJIN TOYOTA!!! julle het die fasiliteite daarvoor.
EK SOEK V8 D-4D vir my bakkie!!


EK OOK!!!
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Die cruiser ouens net so ontevrede oor die engines in die cruisers, soos die 1HZ engine in die 76 SW of in die 79 bakkie. Geen GX model in die 200 series ens.
Toyota het goeie engineers maar hulle weet nie wat die publik wil he nie, want niemand vertel hulle nie. :blink: :tease:
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Ja, ek stem saam, daai klomp 'flied lice skrefies-oe' verstaan geen woord afrikaans nie!!!!
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Ek dink hulle engineers weet wat die ouens wil he maar steur hul nie daaraan nie want hulle weet ons is te lojaal.
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Onthou die keuse van wat hier verkoop word, word gemaak deur die arrogantste persoon in Suid-Afrika, Johan van Zyl; en hy sit met die arrogantste bestuur van enige motorvervaardiger in hierdie land.

Dis nie die ingenieurs en R&D ouens wat besluit wat verkoop word nie.
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Traveler wrote:Onthou die keuse van wat hier verkoop word, word gemaak deur die arrogantste persoon in Suid-Afrika, Johan van Zyl; en hy sit met die arrogantste bestuur van enige motorvervaardiger in hierdie land.

Dis nie die ingenieurs en R&D ouens wat besluit wat verkoop word nie.
Dit maak sin.Kyk net daai lekker opsies wat die Yanks nog altyd kry.
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When we think of Toyota icons, we tend to think of vehicles like the Prius, Land Cruiser, or perhaps the Corolla, the world's best-selling nameplate. But entire towns have been built and many wars have been fought on the back of Toyota's Hilux pickup. Celebrated the world over for its legendary ruggedness and anvil-like reliability, it's been the workhorse of choice everywhere from Africa to Antarctica for decades. In other words, the debut of a new Hilux qualifies as a genuinely important development in global transportation.

And while this isn't an all-new model, there are a raft of changes worth noting for the new year. Starting with the obvious, the 2012 Hilux receives a completely new front clip, including new fenders headlights, bumper, hood, and three-bar grille. Additional changes include updated rear fenders, as well as new mirrors and alloy wheel designs.

Inside, the changes are mostly minor, though there's a new upper dashboard piece and an available 6.1-inch touchscreen multimedia system. Beyond that, Toyota cites "greater colour consistency throughout" and some silver trim bits as key changes.

Underhood, the diesel-powered two-wheel-drive Hilux 2.5 D-4D gets a new variable nozzle turbo to boost power to 144 horses (+24) and 253 pound-feet of torque, all while lowering fuel consumption.

Overall, the Hilux is available in three bodystyles with two engines and transmissions, along with two- or four-wheel drive. Check out our high-res gallery below and learn more in the official press release after the jump.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2012-toyota-hilux/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Rieks wrote:When we think of Toyota icons, we tend to think of vehicles like the Prius, Land Cruiser, or perhaps the Corolla, the world's best-selling nameplate. But entire towns have been built and many wars have been fought on the back of Toyota's Hilux pickup. Celebrated the world over for its legendary ruggedness and anvil-like reliability, it's been the workhorse of choice everywhere from Africa to Antarctica for decades. In other words, the debut of a new Hilux qualifies as a genuinely important development in global transportation.

And while this isn't an all-new model, there are a raft of changes worth noting for the new year. Starting with the obvious, the 2012 Hilux receives a completely new front clip, including new fenders headlights, bumper, hood, and three-bar grille. Additional changes include updated rear fenders, as well as new mirrors and alloy wheel designs.

Inside, the changes are mostly minor, though there's a new upper dashboard piece and an available 6.1-inch touchscreen multimedia system. Beyond that, Toyota cites "greater colour consistency throughout" and some silver trim bits as key changes.

Underhood, the diesel-powered two-wheel-drive Hilux 2.5 D-4D gets a new variable nozzle turbo to boost power to 144 horses (+24) and 253 pound-feet of torque, all while lowering fuel consumption.

Overall, the Hilux is available in three bodystyles with two engines and transmissions, along with two- or four-wheel drive. Check out our high-res gallery below and learn more in the official press release after the jump.

http://www.autoblog.com/photos/2012-toyota-hilux/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Op die 2de foto lyk daai towbar vir my maar bietjie verdag. Dit lyk vir my onnetjies met daai stuk swart staal wat sover uitsteek. Dit sal seker beter lyk in die "regte lewe"
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.... en is dit dan wel die nuwe Hilux?
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.... en is dit dan wel die nuwe Fortuner?
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HennieJ2 wrote:.... en is dit dan wel die nuwe Hilux?
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Soos ek verstaan is dit net die upgrade. Die "nuwe" Hilux kom eers later uit
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Hierdie woensdag by die handelaar gekry dis die fortuner se nuwe specs weet nie hoeveel dit gaan verskil van die Hilux nie

PRODUCT:

SUBJECT: NEW FORTUNER 2011
ATTENTION: DEALER PRINCIPALS, SALES MANAGERS AND SALES CONSULTANTS

TSAM is thrilled to introduce the new Fortuner range, available in the 3rd quarter of 2011. Dealer and customers can look forward to noticeable design changes, addition of specification as well as a new more affordable model.

1. MODEL AND ENGINE LINE-UP

A 2.5d-4d VNT (Variable Nozzle Turbo) Raised Body model, with a slightly lower specification level than the rest of the range, will be added to the Fortuner line-up. This brings the number of derivatives to 7.

A Variable Nozzle turbo is designed to allow the effective aspect ratio of the turbo to be altered as conditions change. Thus the turbo always operates at its optimal level and provides a feeling of smooth and responsive acceleration from pull-off until reaching the medium or high speed range.

2. EXTERIOR DESIGN CHANGES

2.1 Headlamps

In addition to the straight-line-themed sharp form, the use of a lamp configuration giving a sense of depth conveys a high-class, advanced look. High Intensity Discharge (HID) head lamps with auto-leveling function have been adopted on all 3.0D-4D and 4.0 V6 models.

2.2 Radiator grille

While assimilating the boldly carved-out, inverted trapezoid theme, the design is modified to bring out prestige and refinement.

2.3 Front bumper

The solidly built, boldly sculpted lower section of the bumper is given a dark colour surface treatment, accentuating a stretched look out to the sides, for a wider appearance and new expression for an SUV.

2.4 Engine hood bulge

A newly designed engine hood bulge has a wide opening and is located centrally on the hood of all diesel models.





2.5 New style over fenders

While adding a character line in the upper section of the front fender, newly designed front and rear over fenders with a rearward-flowing character line express a look of powerful forward movement.

2.6 Outer mirrors with side turn signal lamps

Newly adopted body-colour outer mirrors with side turn signal lamps accentuate the high-class look.

7.11 Side Step

The redesigned aluminum side step is equipped with a black plastic cover, emphasizing the intrepid look. The cover surface is grooved to prevent slipping in consideration of running the vehicle in heavy weather and on muddy ground.

8.11 Newly designed wheels

By combining alternate spokes of different shape, a novel and refined design has been created.

9.11 Rear combination lamps

The distinctive rear combination lamps sport two sets of round graphics. The complete lamp is changed to a clear lens configuration, giving a more clear-cut impression and advanced look.

2.10 Rear license plate garnish

A high-class look is presented by using a three-dimensional design of substantial volume that matches the form of the license plate. The vehicle’s name logo is placed in the center of the chrome garnish.

10.11 Rear bumper

A high-class look is presented by using a three-dimensional design of substantial volume that matches the form of the license plate. The vehicle’s name logo is placed in the center of the chrome garnish.


3. INTERIOR DESIGN CHANGES

3.1 Centre Cluster ornamentation

The centre cluster on high-grade models boasts a combination of black wood-grain theme paneling and chrome-plated accents, effectively appealing to a sense of the luxurious.



3.2 Meter cluster

The cylindrical-shaped centre of the meter cluster has been discontinued, and replaced with a more sharply defined design.

3.3 Manual heater control panel

The parking brake lever knob incorporates chrome-plated accents, presenting a luxurious look. The lever itself has changed to a dark-toned colour that is coordinated with the colour of the top of the floor console.

3.4 Manual heater control panel

The shape of the dials on the heater control panel has been changed for ease of use.

3.5 Optitron meters

The simple design of the current model has been revised with finely detailed gauges treated to blue-accented meter graphics, expressing accuracy and a sense of high-quality. In addition, the central speedometer is given a chrome-plated decorative ring to reinforce the luxurious look.

3.6 Newly designed steering wheel

A newly designed four-spoke steering wheel has been adopted on high-grade models, with high-volume padding and silver accents reminiscent of a luxury car. The steering wheel also combines genuine leather and special-purpose black wood-grain theme ornamentation, presenting a high-class appearance.

3.7 Shift knob

Automatic shift knob with black wood-grain themed decorative panel is available, presenting a high-class look.

3.8 Interior trim change

The Sand Beige colour variation is continued for the interior. The top section of the door trim and the top of the floor console has changed to a dark colour tone. The floor carpet has also been changed to a dark colour, heightening the contrast of the entire cabin, accentuating a powerful, sporty appearance and high-quality image.

4. SPECIFICATION CHANGES

All models

- Side turn signal lamp set on outer mirror
- Body coloured outside mirrors
- USB jack



3.0 & 4.0 Fortuner

- High Intensity Discharge (HID) head lamps with auto leveling and head lamp washers
- Automatic headlights
- Display Audio with CD, RDS, Bluetooth and 6 speakers
- Rear parking assist monitor

2.5D-4D RB MT

The 2.5 Fortuner will fulfill the role of an affordable entry-level Fortuner. The following changes have been made to ensure affordability:

- Shift lever & steering wheel: change from le
- Air conditioner: Auto to Manual
- Change from privacy glass to green glass
- Interior: Leather to Luxury cloth
- Driver’s seat: Electrically adjustable to manually adjustable
- Side and curtain airbags removed
- Cruise control removed
- Manual head lamp leveling will be adopted on this model as opposed to the auto leveling on high –grade models
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