Hilux Surf - Side shaft - done and dusted

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:42 pm

As most of you are aware I snapped a side shaft over the weekend. Thanks to Jeepie (Shaun) who took it to 2 places for a quote. First place could not help but the second can but damn. I cant afford it. They quoted roughly R4k just for the material and said the total cost including labour, cutting, splining and hardening will work out to roughly R10k.

Does anyone know who I could contact for a possible better price?

MOFASA · Post by **MOFASA** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 2:48 pm

Send me a drawing and lets see what we can do for you

Toybox · Post by **Toybox** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:10 pm

Have you tried Ronald at TAC?

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:14 pm

Toybox wrote:Have you tried Ronald at TAC?

You talking about Ronald Hairbottle?

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:19 pm

Why do you have to have one made up? Isn't it just a standard stock item same as SFA/IFS rear or IFS front?

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:20 pm

MOFASA wrote:Send me a drawing and lets see what we can do for you

Thanks Johno. Will send to you shortly.

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:22 pm

Mud Dog wrote:Why do you have to have one made up? Isn't it just a standard stock item same as SFA/IFS rear or IFS front?

Nope, not standard because sa spec didn't come out eith the ADD split shaft.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 3:24 pm

O gonnas!

Toybox · Post by **Toybox** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:39 pm

Ali3n wrote:
Toybox wrote:Have you tried Ronald at TAC?
You talking about Ronald Hairbottle?

The very same...

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Thu Mar 07, 2013 5:01 pm

Ali3n wrote:As most of you are aware I snapped a side shaft over the weekend. Thanks to Jeepie (Shaun) who took it to 2 places for a quote. First place could not help but the second can but damn. I cant afford it. They quoted roughly R4k just for the material and said the total cost including labour, cutting, splining and hardening will work out to roughly R10k.

Does anyone know who I could contact for a possible better price?

we didn't even charge that much for the Dakar hiluxs sideshaft

Old Dog · Post by **Old Dog** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:35 pm

ALI3N I will know by Monday if there is a side shaft in Bots for you

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:00 pm

Old Dog wrote:ALI3N I will know by Monday if there is a side shaft in Bots for you

Thanks Fritz, That will be great. Even if it is the complete diff I would be interested.

Here is a pic of the shaft. Unfortunately it is only the diagram because I haven't had a chance to collect it from Shaun yet but once I do I will post that as well as the measurements.

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Thunder02 wrote: we didn't even charge that much for the Dakar hiluxs sideshaft

If I can't come right, would you be able to give me a quote?

Toybox wrote:
Ali3n wrote:
Toybox wrote:Have you tried Ronald at TAC?
You talking about Ronald Hairbottle?
The very same...

Jip, He is also trying to get hold of the correct Toyota part number but is also battling.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:13 pm

Dink dit is jou part nommer die:
43430-35011 of 43430-35012-84
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Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:57 pm

Thanks oom maar daai isi hy nie.

Hier is n beter diagram.

blom · Post by **blom** » Sat Mar 09, 2013 8:43 pm

Does anyone know who I could contact for a possible better price?[/quote]

we didn't even charge that much for the Dakar hiluxs sideshaft

[/quote]

hold on dorothy
who is this we you are talking about ? niel
are you manufacturing shafts ?
material ? just tel me you have 300m or some 4340 lying around please

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:43 am

So I have finally been able to get hold of the correct part number.

Contacted the stealers and YES they can get it for me and the price is not that bad either. Price including VAT is R2415.02

Just waiting for them to let me know how long I must wait for it.

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:51 am

By the way, this is what it looks like.

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Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:02 am

blom wrote:Does anyone know who I could contact for a possible better price?

we didn't even charge that much for the Dakar hiluxs sideshaft

[/quote]

hold on dorothy
who is this we you are talking about ? niel
are you manufacturing shafts ?
material ? just tel me you have 300m or some 4340 lying around please[/quote]
The company i work for,made the side shafts,left and right,not standard side shafts.

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:02 am

So things seem to be falling in place. After a huge struggle to get hold of the sideshaft I finaly found 1. Thanks to Ronald Hairbottle. After toyota came back a few weeks later and said the part has been dicontinued and could not help me. :evil:

I then got a call from Ronald who said he was able to get one in the US for me.

I placed the order and so hopefully by next week it should be here nex week.

I must just take my diff in to him and he is going to repair it for me. Thanks Ronald.

I was also told that I should ask my insurance if I was covered for it as it was while 4x4'ing that it happened and I am covered for 4x4'ing. So I contacted RSA Agri and then was asked to submit a claim. Was contacted this morning by the assessors who told me the claim had been approved and that I just need to show them the vehicle as well as the diff before they sign it off fully. So tomorrow I will be at Mutual & Federal at Cresta for the assessment. I just want to say thanks to RSA Agri and Marile for the excellent service.

I was not sure that the claim would be entertained but trust me I am happy, I just did not budget to have to take out R10k one time so it is a welcome surprise.

Post by **CasKru** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 11:28 am

Mooi man... bly om te hoor jou wa gaan nou weer loop (off road)

ForYota · Post by **ForYota** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:20 pm

Dis goeie nuus Ali3n.. Miskien sien ons hom by basslake??

Het hulle toe vir jou n cv laat opmaak?
Want ek is opsoek na n CJ2 se cv regs voor... Enige idees?

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:26 pm

ForYota wrote:Dis goeie nuus Ali3n.. Miskien sien ons hom by basslake??

Het hulle toe vir jou n cv laat opmaak?
Want ek is opsoek na n CJ2 se cv regs voor... Enige idees?

Nee my CV's was en is nog 100%. Was net die shaft waar die inner CV aan vas kom wat in die crown in gaan wat ek nou in die hande gekry het. Wat is fout met jou CV? kan jy hom nie net laat recon nie?

ForYota · Post by **ForYota** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:30 pm

Ali3n wrote:
ForYota wrote:Dis goeie nuus Ali3n.. Miskien sien ons hom by basslake??

Het hulle toe vir jou n cv laat opmaak?
Want ek is opsoek na n CJ2 se cv regs voor... Enige idees?
Nee my CV's was en is nog 100%. Was net die shaft waar die inner CV aan vas kom wat in die crown in gaan wat ek nou in die hande gekry het. Wat is fout met jou CV? kan jy hom nie net laat recon nie?

Die hele sideshaft het gesnap.. in twee

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:53 pm

Nee kyk, Die CV's is nie vas op die shaft nie. Jy kan net die CV's vervang of die shaft so in jou geval moet jy mos dan net jou shaft vervang soos ek. Die CV het female splines en die shaft het male splines en is gewoonlik in plek gehou met n clip.

Tensy ek nou verkeerd verstaan.

ForYota · Post by **ForYota** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 12:55 pm

Ali3n wrote:Nee kyk, Die CV's is nie vas op die shaft nie. Jy kan net die CV's vervang of die shaft so in jou geval moet jy mos dan net jou shaft vervang soos ek. Die CV het female splines en die shaft het male splines en is gewoonlik in plek gehou met n clip. Tensy ek nou verkeerd verstaan.

Ja nee ek is maar n leek as dit by cv's en diwwe kom.. maar ja die cv's is fine so ek praat van die sideshaft

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:06 pm

Nee, mens is mos nooit te oud om iets te leer nie.

Post bietjie n fototjie as jy kan maar as hy nie soos mune is nie maar wel net n shaft is met splines aan albei kante dan kan jy maklik een laat sny en dit sal beslis nie R10k kos soos met myne nie. Jy kan dalk sommer by die stealers hoor wat prys hulle op n sideshaft as jy nie al het nie.

Hoe het jy hom gesnap?

ForYota · Post by **ForYota** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:09 pm

Ali3n wrote:Nee, mens is mos nooit te oud om iets te leer nie.

Post bietjie n fototjie as jy kan maar as hy nie soos mune is nie maar wel net n shaft is met splines aan albei kante dan kan jy maklik een laat sny en dit sal beslis nie R10k kos soos met myne nie. Jy kan dalk sommer by die stealers hoor wat prys hulle op n sideshaft as jy nie al het nie.

Hoe het jy hom gesnap?

My skoonpa het hom gesnap drie kwart teen rhino hill (berakah) uit.... Hy staan ever since.. en net vir die rekord dis my skoonpa se jeep.. maar eks mos family of wat

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:44 pm

ForYota wrote:
Ali3n wrote:Nee, mens is mos nooit te oud om iets te leer nie.

Post bietjie n fototjie as jy kan maar as hy nie soos mune is nie maar wel net n shaft is met splines aan albei kante dan kan jy maklik een laat sny en dit sal beslis nie R10k kos soos met myne nie. Jy kan dalk sommer by die stealers hoor wat prys hulle op n sideshaft as jy nie al het nie.

Hoe het jy hom gesnap?
My skoonpa het hom gesnap drie kwart teen rhino hill (berakah) uit.... Hy staan ever since.. en net vir die rekord dis my skoonpa se jeep.. maar eks mos family of wat

SHHHHHHHH, Mense se dit nie hardop hier dat jy familie het wat iets anders as Toyota ry nie...

ForYota · Post by **ForYota** » Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:46 pm

Shame.. die man ry darem n toyota platkar... so 10 brownie points vir hom!

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Sat Apr 13, 2013 9:54 pm

ForYota wrote:

Shame.. die man ry darem n toyota platkar... so 10 brownie points vir hom!

so hoeveel brownie point kry ek omdat ek n 2.5 d4d bedags rond ry?

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 11:23 am

Just a quick update on the progress of my side shaft.

Ronald Hairbottle was able to assist me with a side shaft from the US. He ordered it for me a while back. When he received it I sent my diff to him to install the side shaft. He then stripped the diff completely and found more damage.

Crown wheel, pinion and spider gear were destroyed.

He could not find all the parts locally AGAIN so once again he had to order them. They arrived and he is in the process of putting it all back together. If all goes well I will have it here by the end of the week.

Lesson learned out of this is should it ever happen again I will be going over to a complete local 2.7/KZTE diff setup where parts are found locally. And it will not be a conversion as it is all bolt in. Only reason for not going this route now was to keep the electronic 4wd engagement without having to get out and lock the hubs.

Luckily I have managed to do a few other things while it has been out of commission.

Replaced all the ball joints & bushes and painted the front end with Hammerite.

I still need to sort out my power steering but hopefully that will happen in the next week or two before EFS and AAWDC.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:52 pm

Eish! Sorry to hear!

Unfortunately this is sometimes what happens when you own a 'grey import' ... some spares are not available locally.

Post by **CasKru** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 6:33 am

Bly om te hoor jy is amper weer af van die pad af

optirite · Post by **optirite** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:09 pm

"Lesson learned out of this is should it ever happen again I will be going over to a complete local 2.7/KZTE diff setup where parts are found locally. And it will not be a conversion as it is all bolt in. Only reason for not going this route now was to keep the electronic 4wd engagement without having to get out and lock the hubs. "

Would be more costly as it will entail replacing the entire drive setup, incl side shafts, hubs, usually brakes too, diff etc.etc.

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:23 pm

optirite wrote:"Lesson learned out of this is should it ever happen again I will be going over to a complete local 2.7/KZTE diff setup where parts are found locally. And it will not be a conversion as it is all bolt in. Only reason for not going this route now was to keep the electronic 4wd engagement without having to get out and lock the hubs. "

Would be more costly as it will entail replacing the entire drive setup, incl side shafts, hubs, usually brakes too, diff etc.etc.

All that is required is the complete front diff including hubs. Generally you get the sideshafts with the complete diffs. My current cv shafts and CVs are the same as well as brake calipers. I will then just change my diff ratios at the rear.

It will most certainly be costly but that will just be for the initial cost of replacement. After that all broken parts can be sourced locally at a much cheaper rate.

The current cost for the repairs are running at around R20k. for the replacement to local will cost around the same if not less.

Already done my homework just for incase.

Another preventative measure I can do now is include a difflock which could reduce (Not eliminate) the risk of snapping another sideshaft in the front.

optirite · Post by **optirite** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:41 pm

"reduce (Not eliminate) the risk of snapping another sideshaft in the front."

The way your Swambo drives ...

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:44 pm

optirite wrote:"reduce (Not eliminate) the risk of snapping another sideshaft in the front."

The way your Swambo drives ...

To be fair, It was I who snapped my Surfs sideshaft. Not the Mrs...

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:03 pm

Ali3n wrote:Just a quick update on the progress of my side shaft.

Luckily I have managed to do a few other things while it has been out of commission. Replaced all the ball joints & bushes and painted the front end with Hammerite. I still need to sort out my power steering but hopefully that will happen in the next week or two before EFS and AAWDC.

so when are you done with the make up on the omo ? :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

will it get a lipstick line too ?

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:06 pm

optirite wrote:"reduce (Not eliminate) the risk of snapping another sideshaft in the front."

The way your Swambo drives ...

:scared2: she drives well , it only francina that screams like a girl that makes her nervous

JEEPIE · Post by **JEEPIE** » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:06 pm

so , is jou omo al klaar ge make up ?

Post by **Rafs** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:55 am

Ek reken die hele "wag vir die sideshaft om gefix te word" is 'n mite... hys net bang sy make up smudge as hy weer vanni pad af gaan....

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:30 am

Julle speel nou met die leeu se snor...

Ali3n · Post by **Ali3n** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:24 am

Once again here is an update...

My diff is here!!!! I will be collecting it later today from my b-i-l!!!!

Sideshaft came from the USA. Once it landed I sent the diff up to Ronald Hairottle (4x4Traction) for fitment. Once Ronald opened up the diff it went all down hill from there...

Everything was destroyed. :evil: Once again had to wait for new Crown wheel and Pinion and spider gears. That eventually arrived and everything was put back together.

Tested and whoops. Carrier also bent and deformed...

Strip again and order new carrier. Luckily there was one availible in JHB so got it and put it all together again...

Basically a completely new diff. bearing, seals, gears... everything. Took long enough... Snapped it in the beginning of march and received it back middle October... almost 8 months but hey... Its done..

Total costs running at R21 634.58.

If all damage was know prior to the parts being ordered I would have gone the replacement to SA spec OR even SFA conversion from the start but only found out while the repairs were being done.

Now I know should it happen again.

Cleaner · Post by **Cleaner** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:29 am

Glad you have an update and that you are making progress again!

OMO was starting to become a myth, a legend talked about around camp fires!

It will be great to have her up and running again!

Thunder02 · Post by **Thunder02** » Fri Oct 18, 2013 11:21 am

Good to hear.
The mistake most people make is they upgrade their motors and then stop there.With more power everything else can't handle it.
It would be good to see Omo on the trails again