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I had a scan through the forum but could not quickly find this topic. Since i bought my kzte I have been filling it up with 50 ppm diesel (since its like that old tv license add; just feels like the right thing to do??!!??). Are there real benefits for the extra rands per tank? I have seen some posts where people claim they get better fuel efficiency on 500ppm?

Who of your luxers drive on 50ppm and on 500ppm and why??

Especially the kzte crowd... Would love to hear your views on this.

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Jong, ek gooi in wat by die pomp is. Gewoonlik hier in Jo'burg is dit maar 50, maar ek gee nie om om so dan en wan 500 in te gooi nie. Het jou nie juis vreeslike verskil in verbruik opgelet nie. My lewe is net te gekompliseerd om nog daaroor ook te worry. Die paar ekstra kilo's vs nadele van "vuil" diesel (injectors???) is nie die stres van pompe (DIESEL POMPE, VUIL UIL!) soek nie.
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Oupa Stig wrote:Jong, ek gooi in wat by die pomp is. Gewoonlik hier in Jo'burg is dit maar 50, maar ek gee nie om om so dan en wan 500 in te gooi nie. Het jou nie juis vreeslike verskil in verbruik opgelet nie. My lewe is net te gekompliseerd om nog daaroor ook te worry. Die paar ekstra kilo's vs nadele van "vuil" diesel (injectors???) is nie die stres van pompe (DIESEL POMPE, VUIL UIL!) soek nie.
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Jou redes is presies hoekom ek by 50ppm bly. Dis orals hier rond en voel net "skoner" en dis nie soveel duurder nie. Dis maar net as ek buite SA nie kry nie dan gooi ek maar wat by pomp is....
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selfde met my 2,5. As daar 50ppm is gebruik ek dit, maar as daar net 500ppm is verloor ek nie slaap daaroor nie.
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Soos ek verstaan is 500 pm nie skoner as 50pm dit het net n laer swael inhoud as 50 pm
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Lollie wrote:Soos ek verstaan is 500 pm nie skoner as 50pm dit het net n laer swael inhoud as 50 pm
Dis soos ek ook verstaan.Dis 'n bietjie skoner vir die natuur en dis beter vir die olie as jy olie vervang op 10 000km intervalle.
As jy olie vervang op 5000km is daar nie 'n verskil nie.Die uithaal van die swael verminder die lubrikasie van die diesel en dan moet hulle ekstra bymiddels gooi by die 50ppm.Dis soos ek dit verstaan.
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Nee wat,

500ppm, plaasdiesel, enige iets werk vir my!

2 Redes vir 500ppm: Eerstens, dis maklik 50c/L goedkoper en tweedens smeer die swael glo die dieselpomp.

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Ons het by 9 garages in Jhb en Pta monsters geneem van die 50 ppm diesel uit hulle 50 ppm pompe. Net 2 van die garages het 50 ppm by die 50 ppm pomp gehad. Al die ander garages se 50 ppm diesel was 500 ppm! Welkom in die nuwe SA! Ongelukkig mag ek nie die garages se name publiseer nie..... Wat ons wel weet is dat 'n baie klein persentasie pompe wat 50 ppm gemerk is wel 50 ppm is...
500 ppm diesel veroorsaak vinniger "sludge" in jou olie as die 50 ppm. Meeste van die 50 ppm blends het nie genoegsame bymiddels in om vir die smering te kompenseer wat verlore gaan deur die swael in die 500 ppm nie. My KZ het 275k op met 500 ppm en loop soos 'n horlosie!
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Pieter,

Dis interresant!

Nou is die vraag hoeveel karre het dan werklik 50ppm nodig?
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Ja, skrikwekkend. Gelukkig is al implikasie vir my dat ek my olie gereeld moet ruil, wat ek in elk geval doen. Smaak my die eerlike mense kruip almal weg.
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I use 50ppm whenever possible, but with lower sulpur content in the diesel, comes less lubrication. But experience has also taught me that the KZ is not really that finicky on the two varients as the D4-D may be. If it really worries you fir a Donaldson filter.

Further up in Africa, forget about 50ppm.
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What is a Donaldsin filter?? Im still very uneducated on these matters. Google here I come again :-)
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It's a diesel filter fitted after the original diesel filter and can filter smaller dirt particles as to what the original can. See if you can find the topic by searching here on the forum, will also see if I can :thumbup:

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Cool!! Dankie Donkey!!
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I only have the truck since Feb/ March this year... Also my first diesel ever so all is new!
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Enjoy it, cos you will. Don't race him, I keep mine at 2500 rpm
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Donkey wrote:Enjoy it, cos you will. Don't race him, I keep mine at 2500 rpm
Thanks! I enjoy every driving moment. Uses any excuse to rather use him than the platkar... An easy 110km/h cruise works for me. In no hurry so it helps to slow down a bit (getting old maybe...)
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A mechanic once told me that the moisture content in 500ppm is higher than in 50ppm.

Apparently the moisture turns to steam in the injector, and damages the injector tip. Common problem on a D4-D

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pietdevs wrote:Ons het by 9 garages in Jhb en Pta monsters geneem van die 50 ppm diesel uit hulle 50 ppm pompe. Net 2 van die garages het 50 ppm by die 50 ppm pomp gehad. Al die ander garages se 50 ppm diesel was 500 ppm! Welkom in die nuwe SA! Ongelukkig mag ek nie die garages se name publiseer nie..... Wat ons wel weet is dat 'n baie klein persentasie pompe wat 50 ppm gemerk is wel 50 ppm is...
500 ppm diesel veroorsaak vinniger "sludge" in jou olie as die 50 ppm. Meeste van die 50 ppm blends het nie genoegsame bymiddels in om vir die smering te kompenseer wat verlore gaan deur die swael in die 500 ppm nie. My KZ het 275k op met 500 ppm en loop soos 'n horlosie!
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Theunis die realiteit is dat as jy gaan toer GAAN jy 500ppm gebruik !!

Daar is nog BAIE plekke, selfs IN SA, wat nog nie 50ppm het nie ....
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Daarom dat ek nog KZTE ry en nie D4D nie! :-)

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Difference between 500ppm and 50ppm is sulphur content... only sulphur content.. not contamination, dirt, water or anything else.

Diesel is hygroscopic. That means it attracts and absorbs water vapour from the atmosphere. This happens if diesel gets stored for long periods of time. This water/sludge sinks to the bottom of the tank, and can get stirred up when you drive with an almost empty tank. Studies found that 50ppm is even more hygroscopic than 500ppm diesel.

The only other difference is that with prolonged use of 500ppm diesel in a vehicle fitted with diesel particulate filters in the exhaust, those filters will get clogged. Also the combustion of sulphur in the diesel causes the engine oil to get dirtier quicker. The more sulphur the shorter the lube service intervals. Soot in your oil lessens the smearing capabilities of the oil and will cause the bearings on your turbo to wear out quicker, so before you get all jolly about driving a KZ and not a Vigo, how often do you do a lube service?

Say "dirty diesel" and everybody jumps on the 500ppm bandwagon. 50ppm diesel bought from a dodgy source can be much dirtier than 500ppm bought from a reputable source. Be sure you buy diesel from reputable sources, if there are none, filter it before it goes into the tank.

The moral of the story is, know what your vehicle can use, and if no alternative is available, know what precautions you must take to prevent damage to your vehicle. My Vigo uses only 50ppm when it is available, but runs pretty lekker on 500ppm diesel too, but I have the Donaldson pre-filter fitted, and I do a lube service after every trip where it was unavoidable to use 500ppm.
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Thys wat is a lube service.
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george wrote:Thys wat is a lube service.
As jy nie weet nie Jorsie moet jy nie 'n diesel ry nie.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Olie aftap en olie filter change.. Alles met olies en lubrikasie te doen.. nie plaks, pinte en kondensir nie.. :silent: :silent:
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ThysdJ wrote:
george wrote:Thys wat is a lube service.
As jy nie weet nie Jorsie moet jy nie 'n diesel ry nie.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Olie aftap en olie filter change.. Alles met olies en lubrikasie te doen.. nie plaks, pinte en kondensir nie.. :silent: :silent:
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Aangesien ons op hierdie onderwerp is - aangeheg is resultate van my KZ se olietoetse deur Wear Check. Belangrikste is die Soot% - tot 3,5% is aanvaarbaar, daarna het jy "sludge". 500 ppm diesel verhoog die risiko. Hierdie toetse is resultate met 500 ppm diesel na 10 000 kms met Delo 400. Belangrik is ook die viskositeit @ 100 C wat ook BAIE goed is @ 15 CSt. Dalk beteken dit iets vir iemand om hierdie stats te weet....
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Baie goed om te weet dankie Pieter.

Ek het nog altyd geweet die Delo400 is goed. Hierdie toetse bevestig dit net.

Ek het 'n D4D en het die eerste 100 000 km net 500ppm ingegooi. Die laaste 128000 gooi ek meestal 50ppm in maar ek moet sê dat ek al baie gewonder het oor of dit werklik 50 is wat ek ingooi. Die enigste keer wat ek nog 'n vuil diesel filter liggie gekry het was toe ek 50ppm in 'n kleinerige dorpie ingegooi het.
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KZ was pre-50ppm racket. There are plenty 500ppm KZ's with lots of miles on that have had no issues. And if they had issues, it was from everything except the 50ppm/500ppm influence. I would not bother too much about what I toss in if I were you.
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For those following this thread Sasol has released a 10ppm diesel.

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Thanks Qeuntin, good news for the latest generation diesels and I guess also for us :thumbup: I like the cleaning and lubricating properties while keeping sulphur content lower and hence beneiting the environment even more.
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Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
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pietdevs wrote:Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
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george wrote:
pietdevs wrote:Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
Gaan daar opgetree word teen die ouens.Ek hoop hulle word vas gevat
ek stem, ek meen ons betaal dan vir 50ppm





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4x4Maniac wrote:
george wrote:
pietdevs wrote:Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
Gaan daar opgetree word teen die ouens.Ek hoop hulle word vas gevat
ek stem, ek meen ons betaal dan vir 50ppm
Ja nee wraggies, want dit klink darem na n lekker manier om jou winste op te jaag!!! Scary
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Wat is die prys verskil tussen 50ppm en 500ppm?

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louis fourie wrote:Wat is die prys verskil tussen 50ppm en 500ppm?

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pietdevs wrote:Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
Hoekom kan julle dit nie publiseer nie? Dit is tog duidelik in openbare belang dat ons motoriste ingelig word van die Garages wat besig is om bedrog te pleeg.
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Nou gaan ek 'n garage soek wat 500ppm verkoop sodat ek die laer prys kan betaal

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Louis,

Daar onder Rubenstein, waar hy oor Garsfontein gaan, ek dink dit word dan Delfi, was altyd 'n Caltex.

Nou is dit Awaiz Petroleum. Dis die goedkoopste diesek in Pretoria en verseker 500ppm!
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Lyk my ek kan maar oor-swaai 500ppm toe as dit die geval is. . . . .
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Thabogrobler wrote:Louis,

Daar onder Rubenstein, waar hy oor Garsfontein gaan, ek dink dit word dan Delfi, was altyd 'n Caltex.

Nou is dit Awaiz Petroleum. Dis die goedkoopste diesek in Pretoria en verseker 500ppm!
Thanks Thabo. Ek sal bietjie gaan loer.

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pietdevs wrote:Ek het nog 5 resultate terug gekry van die 50 ppm pompe in en om Pretoria - net 2 was 50 ppm, die ander was 500 ppm diesel in die 50 ppm pompe..... Ek wens ek kon die name van die garages publiseer - julle sal verbaas wees!
Moet eerder nie publiseer nie. Maar mag ek vra waar jy die laaste keer jou voertuig ingooi? :thumbup:
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