Hilux Double Ramp Over Issues

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Mon Mar 28, 2016 11:45 pm

Ok my crappy ramp over angle my Hilux D/C is starting to get to me, It seems I'm scraping everywhere these day!

I'm looking at swopping out my running boards out for rock sliders before I seriously damage them, is there any thing else I can do help with this angle?

Whats the most cost effect way of getting my body high enough of the ground to clear acute hill and other obstacles, as mentioned my main concern is the ramp over angle. Don't want to fork out a fortune for full suspension kits.

Will the lift kit/spacers affect handling, alignment and ride quality in anyway?
Also are there any legal issues with these kinds of mods, or saps just look the other way?
And can you use a hi lift hack on your rock sliders?
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 12:57 am

To lift the ride height (within safe limits) is your main issue and to do this properly is going to cost a few Rands, but well worth it. You can also improve it a bit further by fitting bigger diameter tyres, however, depending on the tyre size you're going to run into some fender ' wheel well issues and maybe even drive-train issues in extreme cases.

Those alu side-steps are definitely no good in off-road situations, rather flog them off before they are too badly damaged and put the money towards a decent set of sliders. Properly mounted / fixed sliders can be used to lift the vehicle - if there are jack points built into the slider that are suitable for a 'high-lift', you can use one. :winkx:
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:21 am

Ironman suspension WORKED for us.


is the van loaded when it scrapes ? The standard suspension saggs a LOT under lot, serious reducing the clearance height !
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:06 am

Mud Dog wrote:To lift the ride height (within safe limits) is your main issue and to do this properly is going to cost a few Rands, but well worth it. You can also improve it a bit further by fitting bigger diameter tyres, however, depending on the tyre size you're going to run into some fender ' wheel well issues and maybe even drive-train issues in extreme cases.

Those alu side-steps are definitely no good in off-road situations, rather flog them off before they are too badly damaged and put the money towards a decent set of sliders. Properly mounted / fixed sliders can be used to lift the vehicle - if there are jack points built into the slider that are suitable for a 'high-lift', you can use one. :winkx:

Does this mean that quick wins like strut spacers and things like that are out of the question?

What can I expect to pay for good rock sliders and do you have recommendations for local suppliers in Cape Town?
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 9:09 am

ChrisF wrote:Ironman suspension WORKED for us.


is the van loaded when it scrapes ? The standard suspension saggs a LOT under lot, serious reducing the clearance height !
No load, the cab is just too long. So its scrape over any sudden change in elevation
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 10:21 am

Strut spacers can work but I think that 30mm is the most you can do otherwise the half-shaft angles become too acute for the CV's unless you do a diff drop.

There are quite a few guys in your area that will make up sliders for you. You can try Gomad or perhaps someone down there can make alternate suggestions.
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:03 am

Mud Dog wrote:Strut spacers can work but I think that 30mm is the most you can do otherwise the half-shaft angles become too acute for the CV's unless you do a diff drop.

There are quite a few guys in your area that will make up sliders for you. You can try Gomad or perhaps someone down there can make alternate suggestions.
And they will no adverse affects on handling or ride quality hey?

Do you normally have to put them in front and back?
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 11:37 am

There should be no significant adverse effects although you might experience a slightly different 'feel' in it's handling but you get used to that quickly.

Spacers in front and replacement packs in the rear. I'm not fond of using spacer blocks with leaf springs. Extended shackles in the back help a little but in order to get any real lift you have to extend them quite far and this definitely affects handling and safety adversely.

Speak to Mikem suspensions (very helpful with excellent service) and get comparative quotes from OME (Old Man Emu), Ironman and EFS. That should put you in a position to make an informed decision. :winkx:
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:34 pm

I dont like the "packs" / "shims" ....

YEs it raises the vehicle, but shortens the shock travel ....


Pay up and get a suspension worthy of your bakkie, that will ADD to your off road experience.


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Tue Mar 29, 2016 4:39 pm

Mud Dog wrote:There should be no significant adverse effects although you might experience a slightly different 'feel' in it's handling but you get used to that quickly.

Spacers in front and replacement packs in the rear. I'm not fond of using spacer blocks with leaf springs. Extended shackles in the back help a little but in order to get any real lift you have to extend them quite far and this definitely affects handling and safety adversely.

Speak to Mikem suspensions (very helpful with excellent service) and get comparative quotes from OME (Old Man Emu), Ironman and EFS. That should put you in a position to make an informed decision. :winkx:
:thumbup: thanks for the info, think I will just go with the rock sliders for now, that should give me some peace of mind... Not really prepared to suffer for doing half mods and would like to keep the car as standard as possible. Thought I could safely do a all round spacer lift and just take it off if I decide to sell at later stage.

On side note, will I have to look at suspension if start thinking about steel bumpers at a later stage? Approach angle is not that great either :mocking:
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 5:25 pm

Do yourself a favour and go to Johan Tires at First Allignment Centre. He now also has a 4x4 fitment centre just accross the road.


He KNOWS his stuff. And he WILL ask you a range of questions relating to what you have now, and what you are planning - to make sure the correct system goes onto your vehicle.

He will then ask you bring back the vehicle after fitment for a follow up measurement to make sure it is level and all sorted.


He did the suspension and snorkel on Elders. :) VERY happy with his workmanship !
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Tue Mar 29, 2016 6:10 pm

Do the suspension. It will lift the Hilux at least 2". If you do the suspension you have no need for "spacers"... Then fit one size bigger tyres, that should help a bit more. Depending on where you get rock sliders you might end up being worse off, rather than better. Some guys build those things purely for looks. I have Gomad4x4's Sliders on, I helped with the design of them, and they are 100%.
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