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Vir interessantheid die skade beloop R 7422.10

Clutch Kit 2472.50
Skim Flywheel R 569.25
Rear Crank Seal R 297.85
Labour R4082.50

Wie het die werk vir jou gedoen Hugo?

The Legend wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 5:10 am Wie het die werk vir jou gedoen Hugo?

Dawie ek het die bakkie by Chris Cloete Motors hier in Morelettapark gehad.

Horror. Found a drop of oil on the garage floor yesterday. Tracked the source of the leak down - again right between the engine and the gearbox. I have not even travelled 350km since they have "fixed" the problem. Seems they are still closed for the holidays - will contact them when they open.

Any ideas why it started leaking again so soon?

A leak there is usually the rear crank seal but can also be the gearbox seal on the spigot shaft. Assuming that the faulty seal was replaced as part of the fix, then it could be that a pirate seal was used and they are notorious for failing after a short time. The other possibility is that an OEM seal was used but was 'hurt' when it was put it ..... it has to be pressed in carefully and evenly. There are actual tools available for this but most workshops will just use an appropriately sized socket, however if the socket is not a good fit and a bit too small it can warp the seal and even damage the seal rubber.

Mud Dog wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:21 pm A leak there is usually the rear crank seal but can also be the gearbox seal on the spigot shaft. Assuming that the faulty seal was replaced as part of the fix, then it could be that a pirate seal was used and they are notorious for failing after a short time. The other possibility is that an OEM seal was used but was 'hurt' when it was put it ..... it has to be pressed in carefully and evenly. There are actual tools available for this but most workshops will just use an appropriately sized socket, however if the socket is not a good fit and a bit too small it can warp the seal and even damage the seal rubber.

Thanks Andy. They must fix.

Hugo,

EK ken vir oom Chris baie jare - ek twyfel of hy swak gehalte onderdele sou gebruik. Daarmee saam glo ek ook sy ambagsmanne het nog trots in hul werk.

Maar ek stem saam - hulle sal maar moet fix.

Ns: Kan dit moontlik van die tapper cover af lek of dalk olie wat nie ordentlik skoon gemaak was nie?

Thabogrobler wrote: ↑Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:58 pm Hugo,

EK ken vir oom Chris baie jare - ek twyfel of hy swak gehalte onderdele sou gebruik. Daarmee saam glo ek ook sy ambagsmanne het nog trots in hul werk.

Maar ek stem saam - hulle sal maar moet fix.

Ns: Kan dit moontlik van die tapper cover af lek of dalk olie wat nie ordentlik skoon gemaak was nie?

Hi Thabo

Ek het gister onder die bakkie ingeklim en mooi gekyk - ek sien nie dat die olie van iewers anders kom nie. Ek was nog altyd gelukkig met hulle werk - diens die bakkie en my vrou se RunX by hulle.

Chris Cloete motors het nog 'n seeltjie vervang - die keer die seeltjie "op die ander kant". Verskoon my ek is nie tegnies nie maar soos ek verstaan was dit nie die seel wat die vorige keer vervang is nie.
Hoe dit ookal sy ek het baie goeie diens van hulle gehad en hulle het dit verniet gedoen. My gevra om so 100km te ry en die bakkie terug te bring vir inspeksie. Kom ons hoop hy los sy Land Rover gewoontes nou

Agteros wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2020 5:13 am Chris Cloete motors het nog 'n seeltjie vervang - die keer die seeltjie "op die ander kant". Verskoon my ek is nie tegnies nie maar soos ek verstaan was dit nie die seel wat die vorige keer vervang is nie.
Hoe dit ookal sy ek het baie goeie diens van hulle gehad en hulle het dit verniet gedoen. My gevra om so 100km te ry en die bakkie terug te bring vir inspeksie. Kom ons hoop hy los sy Land Rover gewoontes nou

@Andy. From the info above I gather then they have replaced the seal on the spigot shaft since they already replaced the crank seal earlier.

I'm sure that's it. Only two seals where oil can leak past into the bell housing. Now that both are done it should be sorted.

It's me reporting on a matter I was hoping is not true.
I found some stuff that looks like dry concrete around my radiator cap (brand new one). If you open the cap there is something that looks like mud on the inside of the radiator cap.
Is this a blown headgasket again? I am losing water looks like.

I have just spent R7500 on a new clutch and R4500 to rebuild the carb and other odds and ends and now this. Where do you draw the line?

Lyk weird.

Maak die olie prop los. kyk hoe lyk hy aan die binnekant van die cap. As dit so ligbruinerige skuim het daar is dit weer die Headgasket.

Nee wat Hugo, tyd dat jy van die probleem kind ontslae raak.



Ek is moreoggend vroeg daar om die probleem permanent uit jou lewe te verwyder!

LouisZ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:44 pm Lyk weird.

Maak die olie prop los. kyk hoe lyk hy aan die binnekant van die cap. As dit so ligbruinerige skuim het daar is dit weer die Headgasket.

Louis die olieprop is mooi skoon. Die enjinolie ie mooi op merk en skoon.

Thabogrobler wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:51 pm Nee wat Hugo, tyd dat jy van die probleem kind ontslae raak.



Ek is moreoggend vroeg daar om die probleem permanent uit jou lewe te verwyder!

Thabo ek wag vir jou.

Had a similar problem many moons back with a BMW motor .... never got to the bottom of it. Never any contamination of the sump oil but oil getting into the coolant. Motor ran well and didn't use water. There was obviously a small breach between the coolant and oil galleries somewhere (oil pressure is usually higher than coolant pressure) .... I suspected a crack in head or block coz none of the external water passages / pipes came into proximity of oil. X-ray'd the head, no cracks showed up but that doesn't mean there wasn't a hairline one that the X-ray didn't pick up ... skimmed head new gaskets, still did the same thing. Replaced the head altogether, still did the same thing. Must mention that it was a cast iron block, no pitting or erosion on the head mating surface and a straight edge showed that it was true.

Rather than strip the complete motor and X-ray the block (which would have meant a complete rebuild), I just replaced the motor in the end. Frustrating it was.

Thanks for the positive news Andy

I really don't know what to do next with this bakkie. As said above just spent a lot of money on it and it is really running well now. And everything else is so neat - no dings scratches etc. whatsoever.
I am scared since it only has done about 8000kms since the last gasket - although more than 10 years ago.

If I was a DIY kind of man I would have stripped the motor by now. Maybe take it for a exhaust gas flow test at Silverton radiators to make sure if it is the headgasket?

Collected it last week from Chris Cloete motors - they have done the following:

New spark plugs, contact breakers, condenser, radiator cap, thermostat, temp sensor, overhaul carburetor (R 4632).

If oil gets into the coolant, it becomes a grey sludge that rises to the top of the radiator. It still feels oily between the fingers. The colour of the gunk in your pic doesn't look like the usual sludge, but then I'm thinking that your antifreeze additive might be responsible for that. If what you have there is a hard caking, then I don't think it's oil, but I have no clue as to what else it could be.

Mud Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:10 pm If oil gets into the coolant, it becomes a grey sludge that rises to the top of the radiator. It still feels oily between the fingers. The colour of the gunk in your pic doesn't look like the usual sludge, but then I'm thinking that your antifreeze additive might be responsible for that. If what you have there is a hard caking, then I don't think it's oil, but I have no clue as to what else it could be.

Yes, its like dry cement

Then definitely not oil. What additives are in your cooling system?

Mud Dog wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:38 pm Then definitely not oil. What additives are in your cooling system?

Andy no idea. Its the normal green anti-freeze. Never noted this stuff before. I took the radiator cap off and put it in the sun to see what happens with the "mud".

Question - its a brand new cap - why would the white stuff get out of the radiator through the cap? See first photo above.

In the sun the "mud" disappears and just leave this black stuff behind. I think it is carbon (oil).
Where the white cement stuff in the first picture above comes from I don't know.

Let them flush the Radiator and engine at Silverton Radiator. Then do a compression test, after put in new water and anti freeze.

I have done nothing further on the bakkie other to establish positively that it is losing water.
My 6th sense and gut feel tells me it is the headgasket leaking again.

I am weighing up my options (if it is the head gasket).

1. Chris Cloete estimate R 10 000 - R 16 000 (Is this realistic?)
2. Andre Marais "Bulli" also a well known Indy here estimate R 6000 - R 7000 (Is this unrealistic?)

I need to take the bakkie to one of them.

Hugo ,

Die 4Y is seker een van die maklikste/eenvoudigte engines om n head te vervang.Ek is geensins n motor werktuigkundige nie maar het al drie head gaskets vervang op al die 4y SFA bakkies wat ek gehad sonder enige probleme daarna. Chris Cloete se werk is goed maar die prys regverdig nie werk nie. Andre Marais ken ek nie,sy prys is meer realisties maar nog steeds aan die hoe kant vir my.


Ek sal die head laat afhaal en hom vir xtraal en pressure toets vat net om seker te maak daar is nie n kraak in hom nie.Al het die engine nie warm geword nie sal ek die head ook laat skim. Het jy pessure toets gedoen om te kyk vir water lekke? Moenie die heater radiator in dashbord binne in die bakkie vergeet nie. Ky kan lek en water onder die matte laat inloop sonder dat weet daarvan.

Dankie Dawie vir die raad. Ek het ook gedink Chris Cloete is aan die hoë kant.

As dit die head gasket is wonder ek hoekom - het hom minder as 10 000 kms gelede vervang.

Agteros wrote: ↑Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:08 am Dankie Dawie vir die raad. Ek het ook gedink Chris Cloete is aan die hoë kant.

As dit die head gasket is wonder ek hoekom - het hom minder as 10 000 kms gelede vervang.

Al wat ek kan dink is omdat jy nie die head na 1000 km ge-torq toe jy die gasket vervang het..

Ek het 'n klein sprankie van hoop dat dit nie die headgasket is nie. Toe ek die bakkie uit die garage trek vanoggend le daar 'n groen poel anti freeze water op die vloer.
Daar le anti freeze op die baseplaat onder die enjin soos op die fotos in geel omkring. Waar kan dit moontlik uitkom? Dis aan die bestuurder se kant onder die alternator min of meer - net om 'n verwysing te gee.

Hugo vervang daardie groen anti-vries met die rooies wat Toyota verkoop. Daardie groen anti-vries is nie goed vir aluminium nie.

Ek vermoed jy het n water lek op jou termostaat housing waar hy teen die blok vas bout. Hy sit net bokant die alternator. Volg die onderste water pyp tot waar hy vas klamp aan die termostaat housing. Daar is n "O"" ring tussen die blok en die termostaat housing. Kyk ook vir n moontlike water lek op jou water pomp.

The Legend wrote: ↑Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:03 pm Hugo vervang daardie groen anti-vries met die rooies wat Toyota verkoop. Daardie groen anti-vries is nie goed vir aluminium nie.

Ek vermoed jy het n water lek op jou termostaat housing waar hy teen die blok vas bout. Hy sit net bokant die alternator. Volg die onderste water pyp tot waar hy vas klamp aan die termostaat housing. Daar is n "O"" ring tussen die blok en die termostaat housing. Kyk ook vir n moontlike water lek op jou water pomp.

Dankie Dawie vir die raad. Waardeer dit.

Probleem was klaarblyklik 'n geblokte verkoeler. Lyk of hy die water by die onderste pyp uitgedruk het as die druk begin opbou.
Hoop regtig dis nou die einde van die sage.

Het hom by AutoTek by Oberon motors gehad. Goeie diens gekry (Koste R1781).

Lekker om te hoor!

Mud Dog wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:37 am Lekker om te hoor!

Hi All

Too early celebrations for me. I (and the indy helping me) think it might be he headgasket after all.
He has put in a new thermostat, radiator cap, temperature sensor and the bakkie still pushed water out somewhere.
He then took out the thermostat and I am driving around like that now. Temp gauge still stand at just below halfway mark as it should be but still find the antifreeze in the radiator gutter.
I think it is building up pressure because of exhaust gasses getting into the water system.
When cold if I open the radiator cap there is quite a release of pressure (whoosh).
He quoted me 6.5K to fix the gasket.

I am going to fix it and put it on the market. You can see what I have fixed in the past year on this thread. It runs very smoothly (even with the gasket issue).
I want to consolidate now. I have a buyer for the current FJ and have bought a new FJ. Waiting for delivery.

Sad. I know all of you will say I am making a mistake but I am not using the bakkie for its purpose. I have bought in it 2000 at 152K kms and it is now at 242K kms.

Let's see what happens.

Ai Hugo , dit is jammer om te hoor . Myne het ek ook laat gaan 3 dae terug,Ek het hom 10 jaar gehad en hy het my nooit langs die pad gaan staan nie. Ek is nou met pensioen en kan hom nie meer bekostig nie. Ek het n goeie prys vir hom gekry en ek weet hy is in goeie hande.Die nuwe eienaar sal hopelik ook aansluit by die forum.
Ek kan maar net se dankie ou legend vir die 10 jare wat jy my net plesier gegee het, mag jy vir jou nuwe eienaar net dieselfde plesier gee, Vaarwel ou maat.

Hugo ek het die oorspronklike 4y head gasket wat van Japan af ingevoer is vir R800.00 sou jy belangstel.

Ai Dawie, dis altyd hartseerend om te hoor dat iemand wat jy leer ken het, sy Hilux verkoop. Ongelukkig moet ons aanpassings doen as ons ouer raak, net 'n feit van die lewe. Ek kyk self elke dag na die twee van my en besef ek sal ook op een of ander stadium ontslae moet raak daarvan. Voor die 'lockdown' was ek gereeld uit met die ouens en nou lyk dit vir my dat ek lus verloer het. Sal maar moet sien hoe voel ek daaroor na 'n paar maande.

Anyway, hopelik sien ons nog baie van jou hier, jy's mos deel van die forum familie. Geluk met die aftreding!

Dankie Andy, sal nog gereeld kuier op die forum

The Legend wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:51 pm Hugo ek het die oorspronklike 4y head gasket wat van Japan af ingevoer is vir R800.00 sou jy belangstel.

Dawie jammer man die indy het klaar die parte gekry en betaal. As ek die ou was wat jou bakkie gekoop het sou ek beslis die gasket set bygekoop het vir backup.

Jammer om te hoor van jou verkoop maar nou ja daar is 'n tyd om te kom en 'n tyd om te gaan soos die Prediker se.

Geniet jou aftrede!