Hilux 4x4 Club House

[OOOOMS]

For some time I have been giving this some thought....

It would be nice to have our own Hilux4x4 Club House or a fixed place where we could get together.

However funds and other issues would have to be thought through, and the fact that we are spread over a few continents.

Your thoughts and input on how this could be done and if this is actually a viable idea?

[george]

It will be a nice idea if one can find a venue that does not cost much.But it will have to be pretty central in the region.I think the owner of such a premises will have to be a avid club supporter.

[SKRIK NIKS]

wat van die groot lapa by bosvark 4x4 baan

[RooiLux]

For some time I have been giving this some thought....

It would be nice to have our own Hilux4x4 Club House or a fixed place where we could get together.

However funds and other issues would have to be thought through, and the fact that we are spread over a few continents.

Your thoughts and input on how this could be done and if this is actually a viable idea?

Ek dink daar sal meer as 1 moet wees vir elke provinsie bv. Gauteng/North west clubhouse, Cape Town clubhouse etc...

Vir al die manne met plase wat ook lede is kan dalk die venue sponsor en dit sal nou nice wees as mens daar kan kamp ook oor 'n naweek vir die manne wat bietjie sal moet travel om daar uit te kom en ook lekker die naweek saam die res vd clublede kan kuier.

Mens kan kyk na om 'n minimale fooi aan die einaar van die grond te betaal vir bv soos braai/vuurmaak hout net 'n idee.

Dit gaan moeilik wees om net 1 clubhuis te hê as jy in ag neem die lede is van oral oor S.A en nie almal sal baie kan travel om daar te kan wees nie.

Mens kan self so ver gaan om te sê dat daar 2 of 4 keer 'n jaar die clubhuis skuif na ander dele toe sodoende dat almal daarby kan baatvind.

[chopper]

Where you gonna put all your garage stuff then Mark (It is the ideal place for the Gauteng clubhouse )

[AM Racing]

This might also be an incentive to drive club membership. I dont know how many there of us here in East London but it would not be cost effective for us, barring a sudden influx of members. But a great idea!

[ThysdJ]

Ciske from Gomad has offered the use of the upper floor in his workshop in Brackenfell to CT members as a Club House... A few of us have a quick drink there most Friday afternoons anyway..

[JohanM]

Mark ek hou van die idee van 'n club house!!! Ek dink mens sal moet oorweeg soos vroer genoem dat ons dit regional Club house's maak!! Verder dink ek ons kan die idees laat rol!!!

[witmamba]

My Boardroom sal dalk nie geskik wees vir 'n ordentlike klubhuis nie, maar is wel ten alle tye beskikbaar vir die klub.

[Mud Dog]

To have club houses in the real sense of the term is not viable, but to have a place where guys can regularly get together just to chew the fat is not a bad idea. I have though along similar lines and considered making my place available, but then by the same token, we could host some GTG's here, some at Dylan's home / workshop, even a public venue like 'The Loft' / Nahoon River braai park or at any of the other local guys that might be happy to do so.

In many respects this is better than a 'fixed' place and doesn't incur costs for the club.

[AM Racing]

Well my workshop can be made available especially for the dyno days. Plenty parking available. I just dont have a bar but thats what cooler boxes are for....

[gompie]

Ek is n tafelaar van Round Table 66 Zoutpansberg en ons het n clubhuis, net soos al die ander Tafels in die land.99% persent van ons het n clubhuis of huur een by iemand.
Ons clubhuis het kroeg ens in wat ons vi die hilux ouens hie kan gebruik.
Dalk kan dit werk as julle wil weet of da n tafel in julle area is laat weet my en ek sit julle in kontak met hulle.

Ons is n welwillendheids organisasie wat als self doen om iets vi die minder bevoorregdes(party keer voel ek ook minder bevoorreg )te doen.

Laat weet want ek glo die res van die ouens sal nie n pyn he nie

[Mr_B]

To date us Kaapies have been using the 'braai-grounds'/parking area between Ciske's and Allan's as a 'clubhouse'...

So far so good!

[Hoppy]

Maybe we should start with a monthly date, like the first Friday of every month, and hold the meetings nationaly at the same time, you IT guys can organise some type of live feed on the forum, or isn't it possible?

[mikama]

In die somer langs die water vir n vissie of 8 en winter op n plaas vir wild. kan leker wees

[kfxnando]

Well allow me to be the party pooper
club houses are bad idea, 99% of the time

experience, bike club clubhouse.
1. Cost
2. The amount of work that goes into running a clubhouse properly in mind blowing, cleaning, upkeep, it almost requires a full time person to run it properly
3. If one has a bar, to raise funds for the hilux club in this case, a liquor licence is required
and all kinds of compliance with the law, fridges and other equipment as with seeing a few drinks there is the opportunity to sell a few snacks and then a quick meal, hot dogs hamburgers, and the head ache grown
after big events then there is the cleaning up
4. The politics that comes from such things, despite every one getting along very well here, the politics will come
5. A club house was great for us bikers to gather and leave in big formation so as to drive in a big formation, to show our numbers, brotherhood . . . . . . .
From what I know this will not apply to hilux owners
in the end club houses can easily turn into another drinking hole, as not every one wishes to go to these places every weekend, I don't, maybe I'm alone.

Just my opinion
good luck

[Sebata]

Well allow me to be the party pooper
club houses are bad idea, 99% of the time

experience, bike club clubhouse.
1. Cost
2. The amount of work that goes into running a clubhouse properly in mind blowing, cleaning, upkeep, it almost requires a full time person to run it properly
3. If one has a bar, to raise funds for the hilux club in this case, a liquor licence is required
and all kinds of compliance with the law, fridges and other equipment as with seeing a few drinks there is the opportunity to sell a few snacks and then a quick meal, hot dogs hamburgers, and the head ache grown
after big events then there is the cleaning up
4. The politics that comes from such things, despite every one getting along very well here, the politics will come
5. A club house was great for us bikers to gather and leave in big formation so as to drive in a big formation, to show our numbers, brotherhood . . . . . . .
From what I know this will not apply to hilux owners
in the end club houses can easily turn into another drinking hole, as not every one wishes to go to these places every weekend, I don't, maybe I'm alone.

Just my opinion
good luck

well that is spot on Mark how about you talk to some guys that own Pubs that have facilities that we might want to use (eg) Braai stands & we can do cash bar for the owner to benefit, in return he/she reserves us a nice corner where we can have our own time there...

[Hoppy]

Overheads is a bummer, maybe try to get monthly meetings going first, then judge the size of the venue according to the turnout, venues with a bit of a playpen for luxes will be an advantage

[AM Racing]

Overheads is a bummer, maybe try to get monthly meetings going first, then judge the size of the venue according to the turnout, venues with a bit of a playpen for luxes will be an advantage

Agrrrreeeeed! No use we want steak and all we got is chops (no pun intended). Let each area decide what its needs are and go from there.

[Tjokkie]

Dis nou wat ek noem 'n briljante gedagte.

Ons jagters vereniging gebruik die 'Ou Tronk' wat dateer uit die Boere Oorlog op Heidelberg vir al ons funksies en vergaderings. Dit het 'n kroeg wat deur die lokale Moths Shellhole bedien en bestuur word asook 'n kombuis, braaiers en stoele & tafels wat beskikbaar is.

Deur die gebruik deur 'kultureel gefokusde groepe' verseker ons ook dat die plek behoorlik in stand gehou word ens.

Kan 'n goeie plek wees vir die wyse manne van die ooste...

[SuidWes]

Why not have the club meeting after a club trail... The bush is the best clubhouse

[Sebata]

gues the concensors is getting the fixed place as club house will take the fun out of it. the can we move for the vote to rather have our monthly meetings @ the nice watering hole or @ the bush after playing... hope i did not rush for contlusion.... still open for suggestions thou.

[Traveler]

Some direction on this topic.

We are using "clubhouse" as a loose term. This discussion we started of topic is much more a Hilux facility, a place for club members to go and drive their vehicles and have a chat/kuier/braai afterwards. It is not intended as a booze room.

We are mos the Hilux club, not the SAB Supporters club? If I may quote Pype, do you wheel for real, or do you wheel on the bar counter? The cobweb on your transfer case lever is not a good thing.

[Sebata]

well good point & guess the watering whole was taken out of context BUT the main concern is still overheads issue probably somebody might have a stunner of an idea on how do you bypass them?

[OOOOMS]

Good point's from all. Many things to think about....

Yes I was thinking in the line of having a Club House where with perhaps fixed, either monthy or bi-monthly have a massive Hilux GTG.

Obviously the Club would not be able to afford such a venue, however we could approach an existing venue owner offering existing facilities to members ect.

[Traveler]

George I like your thinking.

Let us be realistic, our hobby is not a cheap one. Petrol/diesel does not grow on any tree I have seen. And due to work or other demands on time camping once a month is difficult for some people.

I've been lucky up to know that I get to engage 4L regularly when on site, and some other members also get to drive on the rough stuff because of work.

But let us cut straight to the bone. Our team performance at AAWDC is directly linked to the time we spend getting to know our vehicles and not the time we get to spend behind the keyboard.

How do you get people to use and hone their skills with their own vehicles and not in the process kill their limited budgets. Cause I know there is certainly a limit to mine.

We need place close to home where we can drive (not drink). Not just talk about drive. Ask Legend35 why he can drive IFS circles around a SFA? Or why Skrikniks can drive in 3x4? They spend time behind the wheel. Not just talking about it, and not pitching camp and sitting under awnings.

At AAWDC Koos made a comment which was proven correct every single time; just the way a person turns his/her vehicle shows you if they know that vehicle or not. And there were plenty super capable vehicles in rather less capable hands. And only due to a lack to trail time.

We need a place like Rust de Winter is for ATV, or Rhino is for McCarthy.

I own a piece of land, but it is not sufficient in size, and you also do not have someone there through the week that can do recoveries. I've shopped around, but sufficient land will cost the club R350k at least, and then we still need to create the infrastructure.

We need a place where we can go to, and as a Club member your annual fee allows you to use the track for R50 a day.

If I think of the East Rand, there are few if any tracks that is suitable for such a need. In being "our" place. Chimes as an example is typical old mine dump, it wrecks and rusts your vehicle.

Starting to make sense what we need?

[Thabogrobler]

Heinrich,

100%

Rather use the money you would have to contribute on someone else's trail and get to drive in different condition regularly.

The big idea is nice, but owning you own clubhouse is like a holiday home: You spend at least R10k/month on the bond and come the last weekend of November you hook-up you Venter, fill it at the Local Mica with another R25k of maintenance material, drive down to your 'Plekkie by die see' just to work your arse of for three weeks. And you call that a holiday?????

Rather save your money and see different places every time!

Oh, I've seen all the tjol and drama at my running club's clubhouse - Someone always has to clean the place, mow the lawn, repair the burglar bars after a break-in, mow the lawn, replace the stolen cooldrinks, mow the lawn, fix the fridge, repair lawn mower, mow the lawn, spray ant poison, mow the lawn, repair the leaking roof, mow the lawn, paint the walls, mow the lawn, fire the gardener, mow the lawn, repair the irrigation, mow the lawn, appoint new gardener, mow the lawn, water the lawn, mow the lawn, fertilize the lawn, mow the lawn, fire new gardener, mow the lawn, pay inflated severance package, mow the lawn, braai in the rain, mow the lawn, repair the lawn mower, mow the lawn, water the lawn, replace the stolen lawn mower, repair the burst waterpipe, mow the lawn, replace stolen electric cable, mow the lawn, repair the rusted braaier, mow the lawn, remove weeds from flower beds, mow the lawn ..... Way more hassle than pleasure!

[OOOOMS]

Heinrich,

100%

Rather use the money you would have to contribute on someone else's trail and get to drive in different condition regularly.

The big idea is nice, but owning you own clubhouse is like a holiday home: You spend at least R10k/month on the bond and come the last weekend of November you hook-up you Venter, fill it at the Local Mica with another R25k of maintenance material, drive down to your 'Plekkie by die see' just to work your arse of for three weeks. And you call that a holiday?????

Rather save your money and see different places every time!

Oh, I've seen all the tjol and drama at my running club's clubhouse - Someone always has to clean the place, mow the lawn, repair the burglar bars after a break-in, mow the lawn, replace the stolen cooldrinks, mow the lawn, fix the fridge, repair lawn mower, mow the lawn, spray ant poison, mow the lawn, repair the leaking roof, mow the lawn, paint the walls, mow the lawn, fire the gardener, mow the lawn, repair the irrigation, mow the lawn, appoint new gardener, mow the lawn, water the lawn, mow the lawn, fertilize the lawn, mow the lawn, fire new gardener, mow the lawn, pay inflated severance package, mow the lawn, braai in the rain, mow the lawn, repair the lawn mower, mow the lawn, water the lawn, replace the stolen lawn mower, repair the burst waterpipe, mow the lawn, replace stolen electric cable, mow the lawn, repair the rusted braaier, mow the lawn, remove weeds from flower beds, mow the lawn ..... Way more hassle than pleasure!

What lawn.......

[Mud Dog]

So essentially, our status quo is the best option for us at this point in time .... arranging GTG's at different venues where those that are interested and can, attend. What I think Mark is trying to achieve is to increase that interest and bring more people together .... great, but the permanent clubhouse may not be the answer just yet, especially since we are spread across the country and would require multiple such venues.

The issue of outing costs is real, especially if one wants to go out regularly, so to that end I would agree that if each area can find some place that is willing to accommodate the club in some way with an arrangement that would lessen the burden on the individual's wallet, great. The problem would be finding such a place.

[Sebata]

now i know Thabo is pasionate about moeing the lawn, with the rate the we'll be firering the garder we will have to sell the place after CCMA is done with us
:razz: , valid points raised

[ChrisF]

three options here in the Cape :
- MultiMotorClub House - this is an initiative from the Parow municipality. Next to the sportsfields thay build a clubhouse specifically for various "motor clubs". (not sure of the rental)
- The pub in the Norrdelikes rugby stadium (a stone throw from the Multi motor club). You can book this for your group, and then buy your food and drink there.
- just get together at any pub - but then you are often bound by the seating arrangement and dont really get to mingle ...

[Stef]

Been debating the very point this morning with a member from the free state....

Imagine club members chipping in a R1000 instead of the R100 currently, it's a million ZAR's for every 1000 members; we can buy land. Make contributing members share holders.
The site can be run/developed by someone living on site; all sustained from track/camping fees generated from visitors etc...regional sites can be CC's on their own or a non-profit org.

Regional sites would be ideal; drawback is that thinner spread regions won't have such a big/nice/well funded sites and also larger distances to travel.

Just my 2c's

[Donkey]

All points raised makes sense and I think I like how Mark is thinking.

Here's a few options for Gauteng:

1. continue with the GTG so that we have consitency in numbers (my schedule available on request Mark )

2. ask an existing operator for e.g. Bosvark to adopt the Hilux Club - each member then pays annual fees so that he can cover his overheads (Bosvark - home of the Legend! could be the new banner)

3. have a savings account going with the view to buy land of our own (as mentioned as Rust de Winter is to ATV) - but then this comes with maintenance and other issues.

4. But I think the more time spent using the small stalkie the more one gets the know his/her trucks limitations/strong points - so I am more likely to support point number 2 above.

Shweet!

[OOOOMS]

Something like this would have to be done / 'n 'run' by each Region!

If it is a private operator, we would have to negotiate good rates and be a bit more committed.

Something Pieter mentioned was when he was up here in Gauteng 'Rust de Winter' AAWDC weekend.....'Ek sien julle ouens is soos 'n groot famielie....!'

Well that sorta stuck in my mind, having brought up this topic

[Donkey]

Mark I'm sure by now we have a good idea of who the regulars are, based on the feelings above please give direction my commander and we start the ball rolling...

Commitment, loyalty, 4x4'ing, family orientated are all key to such a move - I think we're getting there slowly but surely.

[OOOOMS]

Mark I'm sure by now we have a good idea of who the regulars are, based on the feelings above please give direction my commander and we start the ball rolling...

Commitment, loyalty, 4x4'ing, family orientated are all key to such a move - I think we're getting there slowly but surely.

The regulars are good, The guys sitting behind the screens are the one's that need to come out and enjoy

Many guys on the Furum are reluctant to get involved which is part of the idea, to change the thinking and get in touch with nature and enjoy the outdoors.

[Mud Dog]

We're a 'groot familie' wherever we go. What we have right now works for the numbers, logistics and club funds. I think to leave it as it is for now but if we get to a point where we have a couple hundred club members in an area, that area could look at it again.

Just another thought for a region like Gauteng that is spread over a large area itself .... If you have a set venue, the guys from further afield will always have long distances to travel and that makes it less attractive ... you end up with attendance by mostly those in close proximity. If on the other hand you have varied casual venues in different areas, you incorporate a larger percentage of the membership.

Many guys on the Furum are reluctant to get involved which is part of the idea, to change the thinking and get in touch with nature and enjoy the outdoors.

Just that statement supports what I am saying. Remember, that whatever you do, SWSWSW (Some Will, Some Won't, So What). You can take a horse to the water, but .......

[Stef]

Andy makes some good points...kinda more or less what I was getting at as well...

We should crunch the numbers & see what we're really looking at and guage the interest

The ATV grounds at RDW are 'on loan' from the goverment, but members who want to leave their caravans there must cough up R3000 p/a for the priviledge; on top of that each visit to the gymkana track (where the funday was held) will cost you R50, member or not. And some people travel further than others, that you'll get no matter where the site/ground.

Personally I think it is not impossible to acquire some land (without a sponsor), but we could look at leasing from a farmer who has a vested interest in the security/maintenance aspect of it. Someone out there should have a peace of land that has no use (yet) and needs some income on the side. We ought to do it right from the word go with our eyes on this new regulations that are coming ie get the spot registered etc

[ROOFER]

clubhouse!! ,great idea I think, maybe we just need to look around first for a venue or venue's where we can just get together & just chill ,nothing formal, get to know the members ,CAPE TONIANS -DIRT & DUST OR SOMEWHERE close

[Gunta]

I think we should approach one of the trail owners and ask them if they would sponsor us a spot and give us a preferential rate. Times are tough at the moment and I am sure they would jump to such an opportunity. There are plenty of them around. Hennops, Moegatle, De Wildt and we can got to the quarry in Midrand for free. We definitly need to get out more and practice. This was the first time I have done a course which hindered my turning circle with banners and it opened my eyes a bit. For us to be competitive we need to practice under the same conditions. I say lets find a trail owner that would like to adopt us and lets go and have some fun.

[JohanM]

Mark,

Im in the process of seeing if I can get access to a certain piece of land to enable us to use it to play around, practise and have a social GTG every now and then.

Only Problem might be that it will be in Parys which is a bit far out for people, but I will keep you guys posted on it.

[Donkey]

@ JohanM -
@ Gunta - not all the course was blind folded, just one obstacle but I'm wiff you!

[Ou vale1]

An obtion to also look at is Heidelberg 4x4, maybe we should have a GTG out there soon and discuss with Graham Fowler, the owner. They also do training out there which could create an income for the club as well as trail fees from the general 4X4 community making use of the facility. This place has a lot of potential and last I spoke to Graham he was thinking of selling.
But before we even think of a club facility we seriously need to up our numbers at GTG's and club involvement in general.

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[Ou vale1]

mow the lawn, remove weeds from flower beds, mow the lawn ..... Way more hassle than pleasure![/quote]

Thabo, jy verstaan nie! Tommie behoort aan 'n fietsry klub met 'n klubhuis en elke Donderdag word my grassnyer en weedeater ingespan (lees abused) om die plek tiptop te hou ....................mahala deur mev van Helsdingen (lees Rita)

[Ali3n]

Whatever the outcome of this is, count me in. I will help where I can!!

[OOOOMS]

Whatever the outcome of this is, count me in. I will help where I can!!

Thabo, jy is so pas verlig..... Ons het 'n volunteer