e-Toll

[pietdevs]

Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm yesterday reported that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985,322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, and only 1,339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for SANRAL. On day one at one toll gate alone, they now have to send out almost a million accounts The system is close to collapsing folks. Lets persist to resist!

[louis fourie]

[ChrisF]

Alliance against urban tolling statement at 5pm yesterday reported that their in-situ electronic sensors confirm 985,322 vehicles passed through William Nicol gantry, and only 1,339 of them were SANRAL registered with an e-tag. This is a massive setback for SANRAL. On day one at one toll gate alone, they now have to send out almost a million accounts The system is close to collapsing folks. Lets persist to resist!

hoax mail that has been doing the rounds from day one ..... (SADLY not true)

[Donkey]

True or not Donkey will continue to use our highways, prepared to go to jail if need be. F*** zoooma.
Moderators do exuse my choice of vocabulary but it just boils my blood

[Whiteley]

Hello Julle

Ek hoor nou stories van die etoll en ek bly in die noord kaap, was vir die naweek in JHB vir canopy, hoe de m03r werk die goed want ek hoor nou as mens nie binne 7dae betaal nie dan maal hulle die bedrag met 7!!! Waar is die invoice?haha, dis belaglik.

Ek is so gewoond aan die platteland nou dat ek nie eers sal agterkom as ek deur so toll ry nie, ek konsentreer net op al die karre en die gps antie wat vir my skree..

Moedeloos..

[ChrisF]

True or not Donkey will continue to use our highways, prepared to go to jail if need be. F*** zoooma.
Moderators do exuse my choice of vocabulary but it just boils my blood

PLEASE use correct terminology !

BOOMA, pronounced BOOOOOOOOOOOma

[Thabogrobler]

The official numbers: http://www.outa.co.za/site/outa-researc ... up-dismal/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ChrisF]

Hello Julle

Ek hoor nou stories van die etoll en ek bly in die noord kaap, was vir die naweek in JHB vir canopy, hoe de m03r werk die goed want ek hoor nou as mens nie binne 7dae betaal nie dan maal hulle die bedrag met 7!!! Waar is die invoice?haha, dis belaglik.

Ek is so gewoond aan die platteland nou dat ek nie eers sal agterkom as ek deur so toll ry nie, ek konsentreer net op al die karre en die gps antie wat vir my skree..

Moedeloos..

Rudolph ek ry volgende keer vir die eerste keer in my lewe die N1 deur Joburg !!

Het geen idee waar die gemors is nie .... nog minder hoe die proses werk ....

[Donkey]

True or not Donkey will continue to use our highways, prepared to go to jail if need be. F*** zoooma.
Moderators do exuse my choice of vocabulary but it just boils my blood

PLEASE use correct terminology !

BOOMA, pronounced BOOOOOOOOOOOma

[pietpetoors]

Ha ha, it is gona cost them a pretty penny to deliver the summons to my door after I used the toll road for 2 days if I go to Gauteng (not that I would)

For those who do not know what to do when you go there, just drive and let them worry about getting the money from you

[ChrisF]

Ha ha, it is gona cost them a pretty penny to deliver the summons to my door after I used the toll road for 2 days if I go to Gauteng (not that I would)

For those who do not know what to do when you go there, just drive and let them worry about getting the money from you

Piet I will take one for team and test the system ...

[mcw]

I drive toll road frequently and have been looking who has a tag i count 2 in 10 cars with e tags

Martin

[Bosfebok]

Paste this link in your browser to see how much you owe. It might ask you for a log in, just paste the link again :

https://www.sanral.co.za/e-toll/portal/ ... Users.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Thunder02]

Sticking to my guns and not tagging



Boooooooooooooma can shove it......

Hope I got the spelling right Chris.

[Frederick]

Sticking to my guns and not tagging



Boooooooooooooma can shove it......

Hope I got the spelling right Chris.

+1

[BushMad]

Sticking to my guns and not tagging



Boooooooooooooma can shove it......

Hope I got the spelling right Chris.

Dam straight, +1

[Masekind]

Ag nee mense koop julle tags, daar is mense wat geld kort dis amper kersfees!!!!!!!!!

[Thunder02]

Ag nee mense koop julle tags, daar is mense wat geld kort dis amper kersfees!!!!!!!!!

:wth:

[george]

Kom nou mense.Dra julle deel by.Die pensioen fondse by wie hulle gaan leen het gaan opdroog
Dink ook aan die Sweedse of Denemark(kan nie onthou nie) waar meeste van die geld gaan.Julle kan nou nie hulle ekonomie seer maak nie.

[Masekind]

Ag nee mense koop julle tags, daar is mense wat geld kort dis amper kersfees!!!!!!!!!

:wth:

Ja nee kom nou dit is wet, ek het seker die 1st tag gekoop en dit werk baie goedkoop uit

[Thunder02]

Kom nou mense.Dra julle deel by.Die pensioen fondse by wie hulle gaan leen het gaan opdroog
Dink ook aan die Sweedse of Denemark(kan nie onthou nie) waar meeste van die geld gaan.Julle kan nou nie hulle ekonomie seer maak nie.

Sell Doooooooooooooma 's house to regain funds

[Masekind]

En veral die mense wat Gauteng bly ons wil nie vir al julle snelwegte betaal nie

[Donkey]

Drikus is lekka

[Masekind]

Drikus is lekka

het gedink ek sal aan meer mense se g@t krap

[Thunder02]

Drikus is lekka

het gedink ek sal aan meer mense se g@t krap

One thing about south Africans, we always see the lighter side of things

[ChrisF]

Drikus is lekka

het gedink ek sal aan meer mense se g@t krap

One thing about south Africans, we always see the lighter side of things

JIP, as Drikus SO stir gaan my apteker weer GOED doen en uit bloed ruk pille hardloop ....

[Thunder02]

Drikus is lekka

het gedink ek sal aan meer mense se g@t krap

One thing about south Africans, we always see the lighter side of things

JIP, as Drikus SO stir gaan my apteker weer GOED doen en uit bloed ruk pille hardloop ....

There's always somebody making money

[Masekind]

JIP, as Drikus SO stir gaan my apteker weer GOED doen en uit bloed ruk pille hardloop ....

My kan van my pulle kry D:D:D:D

Sent from my C6603 using Tapatalk

[Rianc]

Ek sien nog die dag wanneer hulle 'n tolhek by Pofadder gaan oprig.

[Thabogrobler]

Kom nou julle Rebelle, hou op om so teen die stroom te gaan en bring julle bydraes!

Werk bietjie harder en bring julle geldjies!!!

[pietpetoors]

Sanral faces debt danger
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-fac ... r-20131218" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good work guys, just keep on delaying getting your etags and they will go bankrupt.
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we wish, not really, government will just bail them out the same as they do with SAA every two years

[Donkey]

I'm sticking to my end of the stick, come what may.

[CasKru]

And I don't know if you saw the article, but the fees stipulated in the Afrikaans & English versions of the government Gazette differs and as I understand it, effectively makes it illegal for them to charge you for the use of the road until they rectify this

[Ali3n]

And I don't know if you saw the article, but the fees stipulated in the Afrikaans & English versions of the government Gazette differs and as I understand it, effectively makes it illegal for them to charge you for the use of the road until they rectify this

Jip. Thats spot on...

[Oetie]

I received an sms from them, saying I owe them R212.07 tollfees and that it has been handed over to VPC for collection. I am NOT registered, so they can only get my detail from the registration plate via eNatis and then with my ID number through credit bureaus... No invoice or proof yet as I am at the coast...

[CasKru]

I received an sms from them, saying I owe them R212.07 tollfees and that it has been handed over to VPC for collection. I am NOT registered, so they can only get my detail from the registration plate via eNatis and then with my ID number through credit bureaus... No invoice or proof yet as I am at the coast...

They have to send you a physical invoice AFAIK

[Oetie]

I received an sms from them, saying I owe them R212.07 tollfees and that it has been handed over to VPC for collection. I am NOT registered, so they can only get my detail from the registration plate via eNatis and then with my ID number through credit bureaus... No invoice or proof yet as I am at the coast...

They have to send you a physical invoice AFAIK

And then I am going to ask for the photo proof, front and rear to confirm it was me and not another with my number plates... I have tracked all my trips on the GPS as back-up and know of no other Pathfinder with a Hilux4x4 club sticker... ;D

[pietpetoors]

Eish without sending an invoice? I do not know how they think they can do that?

What happened to the credit act case?
With all businesses they must explain the costs and terms with you and then you must agree to pay the fee. If they did not explain it properly and you did not agree they cannot bill you.
Why is Sanral exempt from this?

[ChrisF]

MENSE, voel JAMMER vir ons vriende daar op daai paaie !!


Ons het nou so vinnige draai gemaak in Johannesburg.

Ek wil nie dat daai gespuis n foto van my bakkie laat kry nie - ek wil nie oor n jaar nog met hulle stry nie. Toe vat ek die agterpaaie ... PYN om so te moet sukkel omdat "ons" regering ons so in die steek laat !!!!!


En vir die manne hier in die Kaap - ek is lankal gatvol vir die DA oor ons paaie wat "swak" is (potholes en duike hier in ons buurt) ..... JA, die DA drop ons, maar magtag daai agter paaie daarbo kan hulle liwer opskraap, n goeie grond pad is beter as die gemors !!!!!!!!

[LouisZ]

Just beware of those SMS, remember it is now the time for fraud and corruption and can be chancers too. As far as I know you cant pay for anything if you do not receive a Invoice or a statement of moneys due and for exactly for what it is you are billed for.

I used the Highways these past days and it is more than 7 days, nothing yet.

[Donkey]

The gantry in Boksburg has a few cameras stolen already
Fun and games, true SA style

[kfxnando]

Sanral faces debt danger
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/Sanral-fac ... r-20131218" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Good work guys, just keep on delaying getting your etags and they will go bankrupt.
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we wish, not really, government will just bail them out the same as they do with SAA every two years

morning morning lol
been gone for a few days

my cousin is here from Portugal where they have a similar issue, and many have opted not to use tolled roads
and their government is being asked to step up and pay the difference for the motorists that don't use the system that has now resulted is a shortfall

[LouisZ]

Ek sal graag wil weet hoe hulle die Howe gaan hanteer??

[Stef]

Self al 5 keer of so die pad moes gebruik...kan nou nog nie iets uit hulle website kry van hoeveel ek skuld of waa om te betaal nie...
Geen sms, geregistreerde pos of niks nie...sdeker weer 'n BEE of BWO maatskappy wat die site ontwerp het!

[Thabogrobler]

Kom ek kyk bietjie in die toekoms in en voorspel hoe die e-toll speletjie voorentoe gespeel gaan word:

Alles gaan so deurmekaar aan tot so +- 'n week voor die verkiesing. Dan skielik kondig oom Jakob aan dat die tolletjie brei speletjie nie meer lekker is nie en dat hulle dit gaan staak.

Almal baie dankbaar, die grootbaas kyk na hul belange. Anc wen verkiesing, dompel RSA nog dieper in die gemors - net om 'n heruitsending oor 4 jaar te he.

The end.

[The Legend]

Thabo,Jy het iets uitgelaat.Na die ANC die verkiesing gewen het stel oom Jacop weer die e-tol in

[ChrisF]

Thabo,Jy het iets uitgelaat.Na die ANC die verkiesing gewen het stel oom Jacop weer die e-tol in

korreksie ..

Na die verkiesing word bevestig dat JZ "verkeerd aangehaal" is en dat die e-tol nooit afgestel is nie, EN dat almal nou rente moet betaal vir laat rekeninge.

[JEEPIE]

recieved this in a mail this morning from a mate

What Will Happen if you Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges?
(Written by Debt Management (info@debtadmin.co.za) for those who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll
Charges). Thank you NewERA (http://www.newera.org.za" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).
Tony Webbstock is a practicing attorney and has been for 30 years. This is what he has to say about
E-tolls.
1. Are Etoll Charges an Example of Bad Government?
1.1. Politicians (especially those chosen by majority rule) should consult with the citizens before
they foist such high charges on them without 1st checking that they can afford them.
1.2. This is the basic problem of democracy - politicians are elected to do the will of the majority
but end up (start off?) serving hidden interests!
1.3. That they have committed the nation’s savings to this hair-brained scheme is nothing short of
criminal.
1.4. Who benefits? The Etoll System is an example of someone else other than the taxpayers
benefitting from the tax!
2. Can’t Pay?
2.1. 2/3 of South African consumers (12 million out of 18 million) are unable to make their current
monthly repayments to Creditors as agreed: See the article Rate Cut May be Too Late which
appeared in The Sunday Independent 22nd March 2009 on page 3: “Another survey by
Unisa’s bureau for economic research found that for every R10.00 earned, at least R8.40
was spent on debt owed to financial institutions.
2.1.1. Can you run your finances after R8.40 out of every R10.00 (-ie- 16c out of every R1.00 left
to you) has been paid to Creditors?
2.1.2. Did the Government consider the inability of motorists to afford the Etoll System before
implementation?
2.1.3. It is fair to say that South Africans can’t pay more taxes!
3. Don’t Pay?
3.1. Now that the Etoll System is rolling from 12/2013, expect an invoice to roll in every 7 days –
beginning, middle and end of every month – month after month, year after year, without 1
iota of consideration having been given to your monthly budget (more money at the
beginning of the month and less thereafter if you are balancing you budget).
3.2. If you don’t pay each invoice within the 7 day grace period then you lose the discounts
making it a nightmare for the Etoll System to give itemised accounts to say nothing about
your ability to keep track of what you owe them from time to time!
4. Won”t Pay!
4.1. You know that there is something wrong with the Etoll System but, other than the exorbitant
Etoll Charges, you can’t quite put your finger on it.
4.2. You feel uncomfortable with civil disobedience because you don’t know what will happen if
you Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges!
5. Non-payment of Etoll Charges is the Equivalent of the Non-Payment of a Traffic Fine:
5.1. Can you go to Jail if you Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges? Debtors cannot be jailed for
non-payment of debt - see Coetzee v Government of the Republic of South Africa; Matiso
and Others v Commanding Officer, Port Elizabeth Prison, and Others 1995 (4) SA 631 (CC).
You can be arrested for failing to appear at a Section 65 (Debtor’s) Enquiry if the Notice to
Appear at Court is served upon you and you ignore it, but only to be brought to Court.
5.2. Fines: The current fine system in use – infringement notices, etc - applies to the nonpayment
of Etoll Charges. It is unlikely that fines will be issued for failing to pay Etoll Charges
as we already have a system which cannot carry the administrative weight to do this. In any
event fines don’t have to be paid unless a court gives them! And a court won’t give them
unless you have received notice to appear in court either:
5.2.1. Personally; or
5.2.2. By registered post.
5.3. Metro Police Involvement: Metro Police hardly have the money to print fine books let alone
notices to appear in court. In the latter event, should they do this, the Traffic Courts will be
clogged and the civil defences set out below will still apply.
5.4. Withholding of Licences: Unless fines are given by court and then not paid, the licensing
authorities cannot refuse to withhold the issuing of vehicle licences as is the case at present.
5.5. Collection of Etoll Charges in Traffic (so-called Criminal) Courts: Sanral is trying to create the
impression that it will endeavour to collect outstanding Etoll Charges in the Traffic Courts,
but there is no provision in the Aarto (Traffic) Act to enable this.
5.6. Section 30 of the Sanral Act: In terms of this section, Sanral will have to sue non-payers for
payment of the then outstanding balances on their Etoll Charges in the civil courts.
6. What can You do if You Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges but have to Use the
Highways?
6.1. Must road users who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges stop using the highways when
there are no viable alternative routes?
6.2. Our government has:
6.2.1. Hijacking the Highways: The highways are part of our heritage! Those who Can’t pay
the Etoll Charges have effectively been terrorised by the high charges into thinking
that they can’t use them!
6.2.2. Taxing the Air: If the politicians decide to tax the air without consulting us and without
providing an alternative source, must current air users who can’t pay the air tax stop
breathing?
6.2.3. Squeezing the Golden Goose: Gauteng is the hub of South African commerce. Look
at the number of vehicles that use the highways each day. Consider the exorbitant
Etoll Charges that motorists have to pay each day on top of their existing Monthly
Necessary Expenses!
6.2.4. Zimbabwe here we Come: We have seen the damage 1 clown at play can do to a
nation in 20 short years proving that it is far easier to break an engine than build it up!
7. Defences to a Claim by Sanral for Non-Payment of Etoll Charges:
7.1. The Can’t Pay Defence:
7.1.1. Action instituted against those who can’t pay Etoll Charges having regard to their
Monthly Income & Expenditure / Assets & Liability Form, can’t pay Etoll Charges! This
fact does not change by virtue of the fact that action is instituted.
7.1.2. The fact that they cannot pay does not mean that they must stop using the highways!
It just means that they cannot pay to do so!
7.2. The Affordable Repayment Defence:
7.2.1. Having regard to some road users’ budgets, it will appear at a Section 65 (Debtor’s)
Financial Enquiry that some of those who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges can in
fact pay something towards the outstanding Etoll account at that time.
7.2.2. This can take up to 4(four) years to appear at the enquiry.
7.2.3. In the meanwhile, and thereafter, the Etoll debtors can continue using the highways!
7.3. The National Credit Act Defence:
7.3.1. Sanral is a credit provider as defined under the NCA;
7.3.2. Sanral enters into a credit agreement as defined under the NCA with road users
(consumers) without enquiring into
7.3.2.1. their proposed future use of the Etoll System; or
7.3.2.2. their financial abilities to pay for Etoll Charges whether discounted or not;
7.3.3. Entering into an agreement with consumers would be Reckless Lending on the part of
Sanral.
7.3.4. Consumers who can’t/don’t/won’t pay Etoll Charges can’t enter into Sanral credit
agreements knowing that they won’t be able to pay same and so making themselves
parties to Reckless Lending. This could lead to them losing the Reckless Lending
penalties under the NCA.
7.4. The Consumer Protection Act Defence:
7.4.1. Section 48 of the CPA provides that
(1) A supplier must not—
(a) offer to supply, supply, or enter into an agreement to supply, any goods or
services—
(i) at a price that is unfair, unreasonable or unjust; or
(ii) on terms that are unfair, unreasonable or unjust;
(b) market any goods or services, or negotiate, enter into or administer a
transaction or an agreement for the supply of any goods or services, in a
manner that is unfair, unreasonable or unjust; or
(c) require a consumer, or other person to whom any goods or services are
supplied at the direction of the consumer—
(i) to waive any rights;
(ii) assume any obligation; or
(iii) waive any liability of the supplier,
on terms that are unfair, unreasonable or unjust, or impose any such terms as a
condition of entering into a transaction.
7.4.2. Are Etolls Unjust/Unfair/Unreasonable?
7.4.2.1. Sanral’s service, charges and discounts contravene Section 48(a), (b) or (c)
of the CPA;
7.4.2.2. Consumers cannot enter into Sanral’s credit agreements without a financial
enquiry being held havng regard to their proposed road use!
7.4.2.3. There are many billing errors that Sanral can’t / doesn’t correct!
7.4.2.4. The Etoll System violates the basic toll road principle that viable alternative
routes must be provided;
7.4.2.5. No provision has been made for those road users who can’t afford the
service!
7.4.2.6. The main arterial routes are involved!
7.4.2.7. The Etoll Charges are exorbitant!
7.4.2.8. The Etoll Charges are unaffordable to most road users;
7.4.2.9. It is a private tax system, not a government tax system;
7.4.2.10. No details regarding who benefits behind the system have been given;
7.4.2.11. The payment periods are unreasonable;
7.4.2.12. The discount system of attempted collection is extortionate;
7.5. The Prescription Defence:
7.5.1. Etoll Charges from 12/2013 will begin to prescribe in 12/2016 (3 years later) if you
don’t make payment on your account during this period; and
7.5.2. Thereafter, Etoll Charges will become extinguished (ie- become Prescribed (Non-
Existent) Debt after the 3 year period on a month by month basis for which you
cannot be sued (if you have not made a single payment during this period!).
7.5.3. Payment made after 12/2016 in respect of the Etoll Charges that have prescribed
cannot revive Prescribed (Non-Existent) Debt!
7.5.4. Any payment made before 12/2016 will interrupt (re-start the running of) prescription
in terms of Section 14 of the Prescription Act from the beginning –ie- from 12/2013.;
7.6. The Failure to Send out an Invoice Defence:
7.6.1. Sanral must follow road use with an invoice sent out within 7 days setting out their
charges before the charges become due and a road user becomes liable for the
payment of Etoll Charges.
7.6.2. Sanral are sending out invoices by ordinary post;
7.6.3. How is Sanral going to prove that they sent out invoices at all if receipt is denied?
7.6.4. The postal service is notoriously unreliable!
7.7. The Itemised Account Defence:
7.7.1. The Etoll System is cumbersome to say the least! Considering Sanral trying to keep
up with it all, it would have been easier for them to disrupt road users by manual tolls
here and there.
7.7.2. However, to collect Sanral will have to prove – on a gantry by gantry basis: :
7.7.2.1. road usage; and
7.7.2.2. levies; and
7.7.2.3. invoice posting; and
7.7.2.4. payment; and
7.7.2.5. discount; and
7.7.2.6. discount write back; and
7.7.2.7. running balance; and
7.7.2.8. collection attendances, inter alia.
7.7.3. This is enough to keep them busy. See paragraph #8.2 below.
8. Suggested Steps to be Followed by those Who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges:
8.1. Stick to your Decision Not to Pay: see the above Prescription Defence in paragraph #7.5
above. Once you make payment without a court order – see paragraph #7.1 and 7.2 above -
prescription is interrupted and must start again.
8.2. Sanral Can’t/Won’t Sue those who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges:
8.2.1. Sanral is geared up to follow the usual Informal Collection Proceedings like sms’,
letters, invoices, etc.
8.2.2. On top of what Sanral has to do to collect its day to day Etoll Charges set out in
#7.7.2 above, it is not geared up to sue consumers who Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll
Charges;
8.2.3. Sanral will have to sell their unpaid accounts to debt collection companies who are
better able to collect;
8.2.4. These debt collection companies cannot buy better rights than Sanral has at the time
of sale and the same defences as set out above will still apply to their collection
efforts.
8.2.5. So Debt Collectors will try in turn to bamboozle the poor consumer by the usual
Informal Collection Proceedings like telephone calls, unbelievable settlement offers
and scare / threat tactics into making payment of Prescribed (Non-Existent) Debt! As
Outa president Duvenhage said recently – it’s a circus!
8.3. Every Formal Collection Proceeding – whether by Sanral or a debt collection company -
should be defended using one or more of the defences set out above.
8.4. Don’t sign anything now or in the future no matter what they tell you –eg – that you have to
sign by law / that it is only a letter to say that they saw you / that they will lock you up, etc.
They are trying to get you to sign an acknowledgement of debt or a Garnishee (Salary
Deduction) Order. It is easier not to sign now than it is to rectify later!
9. Humpty Dumty
9.1. Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall!, All the king's horses and all
the King's men, Couldn't put Humpty together again....
9.2. It is going to be interesting to see how Government, good or bad, tries to put Humpty
together again considering the Rat Cage Effect:
9.2.1. Only businesses will pay Etoll Charges consistently because they think that they will
be able to increase their product prices to recover Etoll Charges from those who
Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Etoll Charges and from those few who do but are now a good
deal poorer;
9.2.2. Sales will dip sharply – called stagflation – and businesses will have to increase
prices to keep their turnovers the same to balance their books (now with Etoll
Charges daarby!).
9.2.3. Investors will see profits eaten into and will withdraw their investments;
9.2.4. The Rand will drop further against our trading partners making imports more
expensive which will force importers in turn to increase their prices which will force
businesses to increase their prices in turn and so on;
9.3. It’s a merry-go-round within a circus!
9.4. All things considered, it’s easier to submit to Jesus and follow his advice (2 Chronicles 7:14)
than it is to write this wrong!
10. What is the Solution to a Whole Bunch of Clowns playing on a Merry-go-round in a Circus?
10.1. Don’t give up! Never give up!
10.2. On 5th May 2008, President Zuma said that the ANC would rule until Jesus returns! Writer
agrees!
10.3. Jesus is the Messiah / the Christ / the Saviour who rode into Jerusalem on a donkey in
fulfilment of the ancient prophecy contained in Zechariah 9.9. Any future claimant to the
title Messiah / the Christ / the Saviour will have to do likewise – which is unlikely to say the
least!!
10.4. Jesus will return with a great cloud of witnesses (Hebrews 12.1) to rule & reign for the
benefit of the rich and the poor for 1000 years (Revelation 20/.6)!
11. What Will Happen if you Can’t/Don’t/Won’t Pay Other B-Creditor Debt?
11.1. Always remember - your 1st duty to you and your family is to protect your A-Creditors like
bond, vehicle and mother-in-law!
11.2. For more information on how to do so - info@debtadmin.co.za

[Cleaner]

Okay, I started reading that, then stopped, then wanted to ask for the condensed version, then got to the Humpty Dumpty part and completely lost interest.

What a diatribe of verbal diarrhea.

What is it with people that just cannot say what they have to say...

Bottom line and condensed version - Bring lube.

[Pora]

Okay, I started reading that, then stopped, then wanted to ask for the condensed version, then got to the Humpty Dumpty part and completely lost interest.

What a diatribe of verbal diarrhea.

What is it with people that just cannot say what they have to say...

Bottom line and condensed version - Bring lube.

lol with you on that one

[JEEPIE]

kept you busy for a while didnt it ?
im sure mr scorpion will enjoy that read
maybe ask him to condense it for you

[4x4BEES]

Okay, I started reading that, then stopped, then wanted to ask for the condensed version, then got to the Humpty Dumpty part and completely lost interest.

What a diatribe of verbal diarrhea.

What is it with people that just cannot say what they have to say...

Bottom line and condensed version - Bring lube.

Could not have said it better.
That is the problem with people with degrees, always want to sound too smart.

If you don't pay, the can't do anything to you. The end.

[KOBUSL]

MENSE, voel JAMMER vir ons vriende daar op daai paaie !!


Ons het nou so vinnige draai gemaak in Johannesburg.

Ek wil nie dat daai gespuis n foto van my bakkie laat kry nie - ek wil nie oor n jaar nog met hulle stry nie. Toe vat ek die agterpaaie ... PYN om so te moet sukkel omdat "ons" regering ons so in die steek laat !!!!!


En vir die manne hier in die Kaap - ek is lankal gatvol vir die DA oor ons paaie wat "swak" is (potholes en duike hier in ons buurt) ..... JA, die DA drop ons, maar magtag daai agter paaie daarbo kan hulle liwer opskraap, n goeie grond pad is beter as die gemors !!!!!!!!

Chris, hoekom vat jy nie die fatcat raadslid in jou buurt aan nie ? Siende dat die verkiesings nie ver is nie, probeer almal nou vonk ( ek hoop dis die vertaling van spark ) Miskien kry jy die gate toegegooi. Ek moet se, die stad is nogal bang vir tannie Helen want die res sit net en wag dat sy ietsie verkeerds doen om sodoende te probeer om hulle sondes te verdoesel. My groot vraag is : vir wie stem jy as die DA uit die kussings is ? Hier is 'n kwessie ( vir my ) van the lesser of the two evils.

Maar soos jy seker weet, al die N en M en R paaie behoort aan SANRAL, die kleineres word aan die provinsie gegee ( met subsidies ) om te onderhou. Ek vermoed egter dat die fondse in baie gevalle wan-aangewend word. Die strate behoort egter aan die stad, dus moet jy daar plaaslik by jou iemand se jack met 'n stewel bykom. Ons werk baie in parke en op sportvelde, en ek hoor hulle sny die parke wat minder in die oog is slegs as hulle klagtes kry. Dis my stuiwer in die armbeurs.

[ChrisF]

Kobus hoe sê hulle: "Bo blink onder stink"


antie Helen se lot is belsis NIE sulke goeie leiers soos hulle uitgemaak word nie - JA, vragte beter as die lot in Joies, maar dit wragtig nie veel nie.



Ek ry daagliks in verskillende buurte rond. Die Wes Kaap gaan stadig maar merkbaar agteruit !! Daar is van die strate in Kayelitsha waar ek nie eens met my Hilux wil ry nie !! GEEN GRAPPIES ! Die teer rande is te skerp en die potholes te diep - IETS gaan seer kry. En DIE is die steem wat sy "soek", en sy kyk SO na hulle ... geen wonder hulle jou haar uit nie. Nie nodig vir n renta crowd nie, sy maak die locals op haar eie kwaad genoeg ....


PS - met die laaste DRIE verkiesings het ek elke keer die DA kantoor geskakel, so paar feite bevestig (wil mos nou nie besluite neem op verkeerde feite uit die media nie..) Beste was toe n vriend en sy 18 jarige dogter na n DA toespraak gaan luister het - na die tyd waar daar toe vrae hanteer. So staan Amore op en vra: "So wat is jul beleid ten opsigte van MY regte om aansoek te doen vir werk in my geboorte land?"

daai DA mannatjie het lelik bont gestaan, en goed naam weggegooi.


Interressant hoe die ou DP wat gestaan het vir "Gelykheid vir ALMAL" nou ook gelykheid vir PARTY na streef ....

[KOBUSL]

Ai Chris, my my hart bloei, veral vir ons jongmense, en al die beloftes wat gemaak word. Hoe meer beloftes van werk ( 6 miljoen werksgeleenthede ) gemaak word, hoe groter word die verwydering tussen wit en swart. Wit glo dis swart se skuld, en omgekeerd, terwyl die werksgeleenthede REEDS bestaan. Het jy al iemand wettig in diens probeer neem ? Indien jy wel 'n gewillige en betroubare persoon kry is die boekwerk om van te huil. Maar dit daar gelaat, en soos jy se , bo blink, ens.

Wat ek se is vat jou plaaslike raadslid aan oor jou straat wat vol gate is. In my werk vir die stad ry ek AL die strate van die stad tenminste twee maal per jaar deur, ek weet presies waarvan jy praat. Hulle volg klagtes op, maar ek dink eers as die ou wat kla 'n rooi vlaggie op die lys van klagtes word, en dis so na drie keer in sommige distrikte. Sien dit baie in die "ouer" voorstede, ek praat nou van waar baie afgetredenes woon, hulle het tyd op hande om aan te hou kla.

Gelukkig hoef ons darem nognie te registreer om op ons paaie te ry nie, soos ons vriende in die noorde nie. Ek bly egter by my voorspelling : die hele spul gaan homself vernietig met al die effektiewe insameling van die fondse van die ouens wat weier om te betaal.

[Samurai]

E-tolls invoice for Cape farmer's tractor

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/E-tolls-in ... r-20140220

[ChrisF]

E-tolls invoice for Cape farmer's tractor

http://www.fin24.com/Economy/E-tolls-in ... r-20140220

JIP, voorblad in die Burger vandag ....



die ironie is dat die tegnologie IS BESTAANDE om die volgende te doen:
- trek die foto vir daai boete,
OF dit is n ander voertuig met sy nommer plaat, OF hulle het bloot n fout gemaak ....

-AS dit n ander voertuig is met daai nommer - stel n alarm op, die gantry sal hom weer raaksien en kan dadelik die manne laat weet die ou IS daar ... so hulle KAN die ou vang as hulle WIL.


maar kom ons raai - hulle sal liewer die Kaapse boer hof toe sleep ....

[4x4BEES]

Kan jy nou meer :!:

Dis hoe gef@%k hulle is by SANRAL

[louis fourie]

Wel ja, nou is ek ook in my moe...... in. My sleepwa het nou ewe skielik in 'n frieken trok verander met 'n rekening van R400.xxxx

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[Baasvark]

Gaan ma hof toe. Jy het mos jou wa se papiere om te bewys dis 'n wa...

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