Action 4x4 Family Day - Krugersdorp 15/11/09 WesRand Gauteng

Bosfebok · Post by **Bosfebok** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:28 am

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Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:28 am

Nee flip, dit lyk nou of dit 'n lekker dag was hierdie.

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:34 am

Was 'n baie lekker dag

Otto dankie vir al die snapies :D

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:42 am

Lekker baie water daar in die vallei nou, Solly ek hoop ou 'bloues' het nie te veel water gedrink nie....

Bosfebok · Post by **Bosfebok** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:49 am

Pype wrote:Was 'n baie lekker dag

Otto dankie vir al die snapies :D

Dit was vet pret

Net jammer ek kon nie ry nie..ek wag vi daai diff lokkies om ingesit te word

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 9:59 am

OOOOMS wrote:Lekker baie water daar in die vallei nou, Solly ek hoop ou 'bloues' het nie te veel water gedrink nie....

Hoe diep wat dit as jy se "nie te veel water gedrink nie" Ek het nog nie 'n snorkel op nie. Maar as ek na die pics kyk dink ek, ek sou dit gemaak het sonder een. Maar met jou ander post.. "nie te veel water gedrink nie" laat my weer wonder

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:01 am

Bosfebok wrote:ek wag vi daai diff lokkies om ingesit te word

Dan gaan klim jy ook daai Eliminator :D

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:05 am

Marty wrote:Hoe diep wat dit as jy se "nie te veel water gedrink nie" Ek het nog nie 'n snorkel op nie. Maar as ek na die pics kyk dink ek, ek sou dit gemaak het sonder een. Maar met jou ander post.. "nie te veel water gedrink nie" laat my weer wonder

Jy ry 'n diesel Solly se plugs en distributor het net nat geraak dit is die nadeel van petrol en water die diesels het nie gepla nie.

Solly ek koop vir jou Q20 vir Kersfees

Marty · Post by **Marty** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:23 pm

Pype wrote:
Marty wrote:Hoe diep wat dit as jy se "nie te veel water gedrink nie" Ek het nog nie 'n snorkel op nie. Maar as ek na die pics kyk dink ek, ek sou dit gemaak het sonder een. Maar met jou ander post.. "nie te veel water gedrink nie" laat my weer wonder
Jy ry 'n diesel Solly se plugs en distributor het net nat geraak dit is die nadeel van petrol en water die diesels het nie gepla nie.

Solly ek koop vir jou Q20 vir Kersfees

Oops... not nice... Nee ek moet se ek is baie happy met my diesel :o)

2.8 d/cab SFA · Post by **2.8 d/cab SFA** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:55 pm

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:02 pm

Tx for the pics John, sorry we could not stay longer and chat, however there were so many people there.....maybee name-tags would have helped

2.8 d/cab SFA · Post by **2.8 d/cab SFA** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:05 pm

2.8 d/cab SFA · Post by **2.8 d/cab SFA** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:06 pm

baie lekker, good fun, think i should have done hill though,

:wth: surprised how much water in that new landrover

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:14 pm

2.8 d/cab SFA wrote:
baie lekker, good fun, think i should have done hill though,
:wth: surprised how much water in that new landrover

Thanks for the pics and I am glad you hade a good time, you should have tried that hill it was not that bad

Swart Baard · Post by **Swart Baard** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:29 pm

Ja nee, baie dankie vir die dag, was heel lekker gewees, moet weer so maak. Ek sal volgende keer by daai berg op gaan, net n paar dinge reg maak. Dankie vir die foto`s.

Bloues · Post by **Bloues** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:36 pm

Hi almal,
Ek sal graag weereens wil hoor hoekom "POPMAR" nie persoonlik gekla het oor die 1 biertjie nie of self bestuur gaan spreek het maar wel so 'n aanmerking op die forum geplaas het direk sonder om ooit van te vore enige insette te lewer. Ek voel dat Andre al op vorige geleentheid gesels het en gese het mens moet jou perke ken...wat hy seker een van die beste voorbeeld is....hy self is dan ook seker een van die persone wat veiligheid "promote".....in alle aspekte van 4x4...!!!!
Ons gaan nog baie ry by Bosvark Adventure Park en ANDRE aka Pype gee my lui ons gaan almal volgende keer weer saam jou......!!!!

Otto, magtie jy kan vir Super Sport gaan werk - jou kamera werk lyk goed. Dan ek hou van daai camel sleep....

Pas sommer by Landi.......

Jammer ek het eers laat daaraangekom.

Post by **Mud Dog** » Mon Nov 16, 2009 5:31 pm

Bloues wrote:Hi almal,
Ek sal graag weereens wil hoor hoekom "POPMAR" nie persoonlik gekla het oor die 1 biertjie nie of self bestuur gaan spreek het maar wel so 'n aanmerking op die forum geplaas het direk sonder om ooit van te vore enige insette te lewer. Ek voel dat Andre al op vorige geleentheid gesels het en gese het mens moet jou perke ken...wat hy seker een van die beste voorbeeld is....hy self is dan ook seker een van die persone wat veiligheid "promote".....in alle aspekte van 4x4...!!!!
Ons gaan nog baie ry by Bosvark Adventure Park en ANDRE aka Pype gee my lui ons gaan almal volgende keer weer saam jou......!!!!

Otto, magtie jy kan vir Super Sport gaan werk - jou kamera werk lyk goed. Dan ek hou van daai camel sleep.... Pas sommer by Landi....... Jammer ek het eers laat daaraangekom.

Solly, this issue could be a very slippery slope. Firstly let me say that for all I know, Andre' might be one of the nicest guys you could wish to meet and this is not intended as an attack on anyone, but whether he knows his limits or not, it remains a bad example. Yes, I recall Andre' speaking of knowing your limits at the time when the issue was discussed at club AGM, and I also remember that the general consensus was no alcoholic beverages before or during a trail. I don't see the need to consume such at that time, and why can't it wait till afterward around a braai / campfire. Trails and obstacles require more skill and concentration than tar and gravel, where the legal limit is 1 or 2 drinks and so the general feeling is that it's a no - no on trails. Even though it may not be the case, fair or unfair, it gives the impression of reckless abandon and irresponsibility on the part of the 'consumer' by those that witness it. People then become concerned about their safety and that of their kids (family outings) and their property. An undesireable scenario.

Andre' I'm not your "school teacher" and nor am I trying to be, but the moment you do this at a club organised event or have a club sticker on your vehicle, you involve us as a club even though it's not your intention to do so. In my opinion then, the reputation of the club should take precedence over the individual's wish to have a drink before a trail. At the time of the AGM discussion you seemed to come to terms with the principle and agreed to go along with it. Give it some more thought, mate. I don't think it's too much to ask, really. Please take this in the spirit that it is intended.

Bloues · Post by **Bloues** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 6:56 am

Andy - interesting comment.

Please just give me a reason/comment on the following

"WHY DO PEOPLE TEND TO ALWAYS TRY TO SEE THE NEGATIVE PART OF EVERYTHING - WHY NOT THE POSSITIVE AND THE LEKKER OF THE DAY"
"Would Popmar registered and commented if it was not for the beers" ? Dont think so - why always just go to an event to see what we can find wrong and to complain about ?

I also think that there still need to be a understanding on family outing and competition......

How many people said - great day ???!!!! .......... the managment of the trails cannot be everywhere neither look at everybody !!!

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:21 am

Solly thanks for seeing in my point

Mud Dog I do agree with you about it takes more skills. If you feel uncomfortable drinking one or tow beer on a trail and the others that feel so good for you like I said I will not be joining official forum GTG any more.

'Daar is net twee goed wat ek moet doen dit is eet en skuit'

And in any way I have my own Club where 'kinderkraans' stuff like this do not mater.

Now for all of you that has the no drinking view I invite you to come and see what my skill level is like on a trail you will be surprised.

I am done talking about this point. I WILL HAVE MY BEER ON A TRAIL IF I FEEL LIKE IT I will also remove my Hilux Club Sticker from my vehicle so the forum or club does not get any more negativity.

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:29 am

Okay guys, we can get into the whole "Drink and Drive" debate again or we can learn from this incident.

As far as I am concerned, Popmar has every right to air his opinion and even if some of us disagree with him we have to respect his views. I was not there, so I am not going to comment on the amount of alcohol consumed, but it was made very clear and accepted by all as a part of the Club Rules that alcohol will not be consumed while 4x4 driving activities are underway. That does not mean one beer every 2 hours is okay, it means NO beers until after the event is okay.

I agree with Andy that as soon as an event is organised under the auspices of the Hilux4x4 Club/Forum, it involves all of us, and that the good name of the Club/Forum is at stake. Therefore every person attending such an event should at all time behave in a way that will not be detrimental to the name of the Club/Forum, and should be setting an example to others who are not members of the Club/Forum. Personal attacks on Popmar for wairing his views are not going to solve this and censoring him is also not the way to go. I would rather have Popmar complain about his experience here on the forum where we can all see it and take note of it than have him complaining about it behind our backs and maybe even on other forums. Let this be a lesson to all of us that we are being watched and that we should behave in a manner that is beyond reproach, and maybe next time Popmar or somebody else will come along and also say "What a Great Day!!"... I am not saying that we should turn 4x4 events into Sunday School picnics, but we have to do it in such a way that it is safe for everybody, wives, women and children included.

This is a very nice thread and it looks like it was a very nice day after all, and at the moment I for one am very envious of not having been able to join you guys in having some fun in the mud. Come lets keep it clean though.

Bloues · Post by **Bloues** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:42 am

My oppinion - TODAY IS A SAD DAY - Loosing one of the best offroad driver / friend I ever known !!! Andre, atleast you stand up for yourself and as far as I know never did anything wrong to put the club or forum in a bad light....!!!

Will see you at the rock crawl event next month and winning it as you are as I understand top of the log now !!!

2.8 d/cab SFA · Post by **2.8 d/cab SFA** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 7:59 am

I regret no trying it, on my mind, going to go back and do it.
Otherwise ecellent day, nice to see other 4x4 got some nice ideas for xmas presents for me.

Optimus Prime · Post by **Optimus Prime** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:00 am

Dankie vir die lekker dag ,sit was soos Bosfebok SE NAAM.DIE BUL is nog nat van die water en matte bruin ,maar dit sal reg kom .PYPE en BLOUES
sien julle by Rebel event waar ons CRAZY DUTCHMAN die ander manne gaan roer.

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:04 am

DieBul wrote:PYPE en BLOUES sien julle by Rebel event waar ons CRAZY DUTCHMAN die ander manne gaan roer.

Net so :D :D

Popmar · Post by **Popmar** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:40 am

Nadat ek alles gelees het wat geskryf staan vir en teen wat ek as my aanvanklike waarneming deurgegee het die volgende.
Andre, ek ken jou van geen kant af nie en het geensins bedoel om jou as persoon te na te kom nie. Aanvaar my verskoning as jy reken dit is teen jou gemik.
Rakende jou onttreking van forum aktiwiteite heroorweeg asseblief jou besluit - moenie dat `n vreemdeling kom en jou van ure se genot saam met vriende ontneem word nie.
Aan alle ander lede van die forum- jammer ek het `n byenes oopgekrap maar ek volstaan by my stelling dat ek teleurgesteld was.
Almal wat daar was kan my baie van 4x4 ry leer en so aanvaar ek ook al die ander lede van die forum en daarom skryf ek nie deelname aan die forum af nie alhoewel ek weet dat ek gebrandmerk sal staan as die "negatiewe ou".
Soos Andre staan en val by sy sienswyse so staan ek by my sienswyse.
Mooi loop (ry) tot `n volgende byeenkoms.

Pype · Post by **Pype** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:21 am

Popmar wrote:Nadat ek alles gelees het wat geskryf staan vir en teen wat ek as my aanvanklike waarneming deurgegee het die volgende.
Andre, ek ken jou van geen kant af nie en het geensins bedoel om jou as persoon te na te kom nie. Aanvaar my verskoning as jy reken dit is teen jou gemik.
Rakende jou onttreking van forum aktiwiteite heroorweeg asseblief jou besluit - moenie dat `n vreemdeling kom en jou van ure se genot saam met vriende ontneem word nie.
Aan alle ander lede van die forum- jammer ek het `n byenes oopgekrap maar ek volstaan by my stelling dat ek teleurgesteld was.
Almal wat daar was kan my baie van 4x4 ry leer en so aanvaar ek ook al die ander lede van die forum en daarom skryf ek nie deelname aan die forum af nie alhoewel ek weet dat ek gebrandmerk sal staan as die "negatiewe ou".
Soos Andre staan en val by sy sienswyse so staan ek by my sienswyse.
Mooi loop (ry) tot `n volgende byeenkoms.

Martin Dankie dat jy reply het ek anvaar jou verskoning en daar is geen 'hard feelings' nie ek hoop jy sal weer 'n GTG bywoon en sien dat die forum mense baie ordendlik en wonerlike mense is

Die reels van die Hilux Club se uitdriklik geen alkohol terwyl daar gery word nie wat ek respektuer maar ek hou van my biertjie altyd binne perke terwyl ek ry, na die tyd kan ek lekker besag raak as ek will glo dit

Dus die rede vir my besluit om forum GTG nie meer bytewoon nie as ek lus is vir my biertjie gaan ek hom drink en ek will nie die forum of Club skade daarmee berokel nie. Ek sal nog steeds saam met my friende en baie op die forum ry sal dit net nie adverteer nie.

Groete

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:43 am

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Martin Dankie dat jy reply het ek anvaar jou verskoning en daar is geen 'hard feelings' nie ek hoop jy sal weer 'n GTG bywoon en sien dat die forum mense baie ordendlik en wonerlike mense is

Die reels van die Hilux Club se uitdriklik geen alkohol terwyl daar gery word nie wat ek respektuer maar ek hou van my biertjie altyd binne perke terwyl ek ry, na die tyd kan ek lekker besag raak as ek will glo dit

Dus die rede vir my besluit om forum GTG nie meer bytewoon nie as ek lus is vir my biertjie gaan ek hom drink en ek will nie die forum of Club skade daarmee berokel nie. Ek sal nog steeds saam met my friende en baie op die forum ry sal dit net nie adverteer nie.

Groete[/quote]

Lekker gesê!!

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 12:36 pm

Okay, we are going off topic big time now... Everybody has shaken hands and are buddies again so no more drinking discussions here, open a new thread to chat about that if you insist.

Rather post some more pictures of Hiluxes in mud and stuff...

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:08 pm

Kaspaas wrote:Okay, we are going off topic big time now... Everybody has shaken hands and are buddies again so no more drinking discussions here, open a new thread to chat about that if you insist.

Rather post some more pictures of Hiluxes in mud and stuff...

Ditto!
It lookes like you had a successful and enjoyable outing. Well done to the organisers and of course to the attendees. Wish I had a few more forum buds on my own doorstep to go play with. Count yourselves lucky to have the numbers you do and to have guys like Solly and Mark that make things happen! Keep it up!

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:29 pm

Thys, Andy - Coffee

ThysdJ · Post by **ThysdJ** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:32 pm

Mark... you're going off topic mate... but yes.. coffee will be nice..

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:06 pm

Did I miss something? What's the story with the coffee!?

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:43 pm

Andy, coffee?

Post by **Mud Dog** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:54 pm

You trying to tell me I need to catch a wake-up!!

OOOOMS · Post by **OOOOMS** » Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:57 pm

Not at all

Will explain later!

Solly could you not find any pic's?