2016 hilux moose test fail
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2016 hilux moose test fail
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1. Die hilux het selfs slegter gevaar as die d4d shape
2. Baie slegter as competitors
Maar
3. Die hilux getoets is Euro spec- geen VSC of traction control, so ons weergawe hoort beter te doen
4. Gelukkig vir ons in SA is daar geen moose hierso
6. Ander manufacturers soos Jeep en Porche het hom al ook gefail
Op die oueind van die dag weet ek nie hoe geloofwaardig die toets is as n Nissan xtrail beter kan vaar as n audi R8. Die beste manier om sulke situasies in SA vryte spring is seker maar om nagtelike eskepades te vermy, of van daai bok fluitjies voor op die bakkie te sit wat die wilde diere bietjie vroeer bewus maak van jou.
1. Die hilux het selfs slegter gevaar as die d4d shape
2. Baie slegter as competitors
Maar
3. Die hilux getoets is Euro spec- geen VSC of traction control, so ons weergawe hoort beter te doen
4. Gelukkig vir ons in SA is daar geen moose hierso
6. Ander manufacturers soos Jeep en Porche het hom al ook gefail
Op die oueind van die dag weet ek nie hoe geloofwaardig die toets is as n Nissan xtrail beter kan vaar as n audi R8. Die beste manier om sulke situasies in SA vryte spring is seker maar om nagtelike eskepades te vermy, of van daai bok fluitjies voor op die bakkie te sit wat die wilde diere bietjie vroeer bewus maak van jou.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Verskoon my afrikaans maar dis 'n klomp stront. Gaan kyk na die hoeke waarteen die frikkie die draaie enter. Is al die bakkies op dieselfde bande? Banddruk dieselfde? I think not. Met geen van die ander bakkies ry hy omtrent cones raak nie maar net met die hilux en pluk dan die voertuig terug.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Irrelevante toets!
n' Hilux is nie gemaak om te 'swerve' vir 'n hindernis in die pad nie..
..ons ry bo-oor..of deur dit..
n' Hilux is nie gemaak om te 'swerve' vir 'n hindernis in die pad nie..
..ons ry bo-oor..of deur dit..
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
The test is a indication only what will happen if you swerve. Just remember why you buy a bakkie. Its not an Audi, Mercedes, VW or any sedan. Two different purposes, yes they make the bakkies faster, brakes are better etc but still their higher. It will be different, the cg(centre of gravity), drive accordingly.
Drive responsible, you get there safe, don't worry about the Mooses.
Drive responsible, you get there safe, don't worry about the Mooses.
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Dis hkm ek nie van 'n RTT of roof rack hou nie....sleep ma eerder 'n ietsie
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
we may not have moose, but even if you drive responsibly, we have our fair share of stuff wondering into the road... cattle, donkeys, people....
37mph = 60kph... that urban speed. so there is a very real chance you may need to execute these evasive maneuvers in South Africa. It is concerning.
I would like to see independent body in SA do a test like this.
37mph = 60kph... that urban speed. so there is a very real chance you may need to execute these evasive maneuvers in South Africa. It is concerning.
I would like to see independent body in SA do a test like this.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Yip, dis waarom mens bullbar opsit...Dirka wrote:Irrelevante toets!
n' Hilux is nie gemaak om te 'swerve' vir 'n hindernis in die pad nie..
..ons ry bo-oor..of deur dit..
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Sal graag wil weet of al die voertuie wat getoets was oor dieselfde shocks ens. beskik. Is ek verkeerd as ek dink dat dit 'n ongelooflike groot rol sal speel?
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Sorry to say but that test is flawed. I would have probably believed it more if we see longer piece of footage showing the run-up to these cones etc. Also if they controlled the approach better by packing some cones to force the driver to have exactly the same entry angle etc it would have been much more believable.
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Exactly....after the moose test there should be one very dead moose in the roadKoppelaar wrote:Yip, dis waarom mens bullbar opsit...Dirka wrote:Irrelevante toets!
n' Hilux is nie gemaak om te 'swerve' vir 'n hindernis in die pad nie..
..ons ry bo-oor..of deur dit..
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Ek het dit elders gepost, maar dis hier ook van toepassing... Use it, dont use it...
We had this going on Facebook for a long time now, and almost everybody misses the point. The point is not "If you drive like an idiot you will end up on your roof", or "Hilux is made for driving offroad" or "Hilux is the most reliable of all" or even "Hilux has the best resale value" and then of course "Technikens Varld deliberately rigged the test to make Hilux look bad"... Oh, and then the "But we dont have Mooses, meeses, whatever in South Africa"...
Firstly. Technikens Varld was established in 1948 and has been doing the so called "Moose Test" on vehicles in a more or less similar way since then. Any magazine that has been around for that long cannot afford to damage their reputation by rigging tests deliberately to make specific brands look bad. And they could face some serious litigation if it can be proven. Anyway, their target market is the Swedish motorist, who mostly drive Volvos and listen to ABBA..
These guys identified a need to test vehicles that drive on Swedish roads for a specific road hazard they experience in Sweden. The Moose wandering into the road. What is a moose? A moose is a big type of deer. A fully grown moose stands 1.4–2.1 m high at the shoulder and weighs about from 380 to 700 kg and it has huge antlers. All in all not a beast you want sitting on your passenger seat. Their problem is real, and the need for the test as well, as many people in Sweden died in moose collisions, or in the act of trying to avoid moose collisions. So, they didnt think this test up to boost their own sales figures or create sensation as some people think.
They started testing a variety of vehicles, a long time ago. Some passed the test, some failed the test. When a vehicle fails the test, the manufacturer is informed of said failure of moose test and they then go and attempt to fix the problem. The Mercedes A Class rolled over on the moose test, and later when the new models came out in a follow up test the A Class didnt roll over. Well done Mercedes Benz.... Jeep Cherokee and others also failed the test and mostly came back with improvements in later models etc etc. To date no manufacturer has actually came up with any concrete evidence that the tests are rigged, and therefor no law suits have been filed against Technikens Varld for defamation or crimen injuria or whatever they call it in Sweden. And I am sure that a big company like Toyota would sue the pants off them at the drop of a hat if the evidence was there.
The test might not be 100% scientifically worked out, and only consist of a few cones and a piece of tarmac, but it is based on a maneuver that 100's if not 1000's of drivers execute every day. It is called an "Emergency lane Change (ELC)", or a basic accident avoidance maneuver. I see Giniel de Villiers also commented somewhere that it is well known fact that one does not swerve to avoid something in the road, one simply brakes, and then collides with said object. What if that something in the road is a 3 year old kid running after a ball?
So in order to keep you Hilux on its 4 wheels is to NOT do an ELC maneuver. Great, that settles it then, problem solved, lets have a braai and a beer.
The fact of the matter is, the majority of people WILL perform an ELC as a first instinct, and will probably end up upside down in a ditch when he/she drives a Hilux. Also bear in mind that the moose test was done at 37mph (<60km/h). That is in the case of the Hilux, the other bakkies managed to stay in their wheels at higher speeds than that. So "driving like an idiot" does not really hold water, as our poor inexperienced driver will probably execute the ELC at more than 60km/h.
So, what is the point then?
We will get there... They tested a Hilux in 2007. It almost fell over. Toyota was informed, and they were extremely concerned about it. Then in 2016, 9 years later with a new and improved, better and safer Hilux on the market, the Moose test was done again... With similar results... mmmm
Now here is the point. After the initial test in 2007 and the shock and awe in the boardrooms of Toyota at the results (or so we would hope), nothing has been done to improve the Hilux's ability to do an ELC.
That is my take on it, but then again.. maybe I am wrong. I read up a bit on Technikens Varld and it looks like the testing these guys do is pretty ligit. I also read about Mooses... They are huge... And they kill occupants of vehicles that crash into them. Like kudu's sometimes do.. And I read about our own pedestrian road death toll problem... We might not have mooses wandering into our road, but we have people... and in the rural areas, we have cattle... Somehow I think they (and us Hilux drivers) deserve to be able to avoid each other when we meet unexpectedly on a road somewhere...
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
From the pics it looks like the tyres are about to come off the rim -pressure?
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Sien vandag op Wegry se youtube hulle het die Moose test weer gedoen met 'n suid-afrikaans Hilux en die uitslae lyk aansienlik anders. Gaan kyk bietjie.
Goeie voorbeeld is die nuwe Navara wat nou SA toe kom. Volgens Nissan het hy 20mm meer ground clearance as sy boeties elders in die wereld met ander suspension ens.
Goeie voorbeeld is die nuwe Navara wat nou SA toe kom. Volgens Nissan het hy 20mm meer ground clearance as sy boeties elders in die wereld met ander suspension ens.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Hier is die link
https://youtu.be/maAgHpXGrBo" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Die probleem is, ek dink Wegry het nie 800kg vrag en passasiers gelaai soos wat die Swede dit gedoen het nie.
Ek praat onder korreksie.
Maar dit sal beslis die resultaat affekteer.
Ek praat onder korreksie.
Maar dit sal beslis die resultaat affekteer.
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@witvos, die nuwe navara is sag op die oog. Ek het gehoor hy kom oorsee met coils agter ipv bladvere uit, is dit steeds die geval?
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Vian klink my hulle het 'n vyfskakel stelsel met kronkelvere - ek tik nou direk uit die Motorburger.
So klink my soos 'n 5-link tipe stelsel wat die manne op RWD karre gebruik om beter traksie van die lyn af te kry.
So klink my soos 'n 5-link tipe stelsel wat die manne op RWD karre gebruik om beter traksie van die lyn af te kry.
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Nee dit klink baie oulik, hy gaan nou nie n hilux se vrag vat nie, maar vir wat baie bakkies deesdae gebruik word gaan die mense die beter rit waardeer. Daars wel rumors dat ons in RSA bladvere gaan kry, hoop regtig nie dis die geval nie.
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Dankieash007 wrote:Hier is die link
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Wonder nou hoekom die SA Hilux tot 70km/h gemaklik die beweging doen, maar die oorsese model nie ...
THYS - JA, maklik om te spot, ons het mos nie n moose nie, maar ek het twee vriende wat al beeste getref het. Een dame net buite Beaufort Wes, sy het in die hospitaal ge-eindig, kar afgeskryf. Ander vriend was gelukkiger op die N2 en voertuig het op n flat-bed beland terwyl hulle geen beserings opgedoen het nie.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Don't stress manne! New Hilux has passed the Moese Test under local controlled test.
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Die Moose Toets is 'n skielike rukbeweging, juis om die skrik en uitswaai reaksie te simuleer. Dit het Jaco Kirsten nie gedoen nie. Hy het die "racing line" gevat, en dis hoekom die Hilux so mooi loop.
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Om die onderwerp so bietjie te verander - DIT is dan sekerlik n puik motivering vir "defensive driving" ....ThysdJ wrote:Die Moose Toets is 'n skielike rukbeweging, juis om die skrik en uitswaai reaksie te simuleer. Dit het Jaco Kirsten nie gedoen nie. Hy het die "racing line" gevat, en dis hoekom die Hilux so mooi loop.
As jy WEET wat voor jou aangaan, en ry volgens die omstandighede, dan kan mens eerder n "beheerde swaai" doen as n paniek bevange ruk beweging.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Stem 100% saam met jou Chris. Verstel die radio of is besig met Whatsapp.
Ecc 1:9 Wat gewees het, dit sal daar weer wees; en wat gebeur het, dit sal weer gebeur, en daar is glad niks nuuts onder die son nie.
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O ja 100% Chris, ek stem saam.
Maar ongelukkig is daar maar 0,5% van die populasie wat regtig weet wat rondom hulle aangaan as hulle bestuur.. Die res pluk die wiel.. En as iemand net daai verdomde Moose (want die meervoud van Moose is Moose)... wil leer om nie onverwags in die pad in te loop nie sal dit ook nog beter gaan...
Maar ongelukkig is daar maar 0,5% van die populasie wat regtig weet wat rondom hulle aangaan as hulle bestuur.. Die res pluk die wiel.. En as iemand net daai verdomde Moose (want die meervoud van Moose is Moose)... wil leer om nie onverwags in die pad in te loop nie sal dit ook nog beter gaan...
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
ThysdJ wrote:Die Moose Toets is 'n skielike rukbeweging, juis om die skrik en uitswaai reaksie te simuleer. Dit het Jaco Kirsten nie gedoen nie. Hy het die "racing line" gevat, en dis hoekom die Hilux so mooi loop.
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maak toe jou mond dis brommertyd..
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Maar ek moet vir jou dankie sê dat jy saam my stem dat die Switzerse toets heeltemal foutief is......
Dan verwys ek jou na my post in die ander thread
So my opinie is tot en met dit 'n wetenskaplike toets is waar hulle 'n rekenaar gebruik om presies dieselfde beweging uit te oefen (hoe vinnig die stuurwiel geruk word, hoe vinnig hy terug geruk word en hoe vinnig die voertuig beweeg) sien ek die as 'n smeer veldtog om die Hilux se naam te probeer skade doen oordat hy die top verkoper is vir al so lank en hulle die taktieke gebruik om hom te probeer onttroon.
My oorspronklikke quote van die Switserse toets....ThysdJ wrote:Die Moose Toets is 'n skielike rukbeweging, juis om die skrik en uitswaai reaksie te simuleer. Dit het Jaco Kirsten nie gedoen nie. Hy het die "racing line" gevat, en dis hoekom die Hilux so mooi loop.
CasKru wrote:Sorry to say but that test is flawed. I would have probably believed it more if we see longer piece of footage showing the run-up to these cones etc. Also if they controlled the approach better by packing some cones to force the driver to have exactly the same entry angle etc it would have been much more believable.
Dan verwys ek jou na my post in die ander thread
Ek kon al die ander "brands" ook laai want met almal was die turn-in vroeër as die Hilux... die racing line soos jy dit noem. Maar jy skiet my toe af met die antwoordCasKru wrote:I still think the test is inconsistent. Maybe the Hilux has an issue yes but if you do not remove all the variables and do the test consistently you cannot measure the brands against each other.
Look at the point if turn in and the direction of the front wheels for each of these pics and make your own conclusions:
On both the Navara and the Amarok they come in from a wider angle and seem to turn in sooner. At the mid point of the lane change the front wheels on both the Navara and Amarok are already pointing in the other direction and the Hilux still pointing straight ahead. They would then have to steer more aggressive to try and keep it in the other lane.
So... die ou wat toets bepaal die uitslag van die toets as hy dit nie 100% konsekwent doen nie. So al die drama oor die Hilux is nie veilig nie en slaag nie die "Moose" test nie is 'n klomp bollie net om die Hilux se naam te probeer sleg maak teenoor sy teenstaanders.ThysdJ wrote:Point taken Cassie. But, the test is not a Hilux vs Navara vs Amarok test. It is a test to see if the ELC maneuver can be completed. Let's forget about our brand bias here for a moment.
The inexperienced driver is not going to go through the motions of noting exactly where the left front wheel is when turning the steering wheel this way or that and when the exact right time is to change direction. The inexperienced driver is going to make a sudden movement to one side and then the other.
We can argue this until the cows come home, but we must never loose sight of the fact that the danger exists, clearly, that the Hilux can tip over during such a maneuver.
So my opinie is tot en met dit 'n wetenskaplike toets is waar hulle 'n rekenaar gebruik om presies dieselfde beweging uit te oefen (hoe vinnig die stuurwiel geruk word, hoe vinnig hy terug geruk word en hoe vinnig die voertuig beweeg) sien ek die as 'n smeer veldtog om die Hilux se naam te probeer skade doen oordat hy die top verkoper is vir al so lank en hulle die taktieke gebruik om hom te probeer onttroon.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Hierdie klink dalk nou simpel, maar ek wonder maar net.........as jy teen ons "normale" spoed van 100/120 ook daai toets doen, maw jy boots 'n uiswaai van bv 'n kind in die pad na.
Sal al die bakkies basies rol?? Ek meen, die toets is teen 60 km/h gedoen. Wat sou gebeur het teen 100/120??
Did net vir my meer "real world" scenarios.......bees wat voor jou in die pad staan in die donker oor 'n knoppie, en jy ry teen 120 km/h.
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Sal al die bakkies basies rol?? Ek meen, die toets is teen 60 km/h gedoen. Wat sou gebeur het teen 100/120??
Did net vir my meer "real world" scenarios.......bees wat voor jou in die pad staan in die donker oor 'n knoppie, en jy ry teen 120 km/h.
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Dis 'n Sweedse toets nie 'n Switserse toets nie. Swede het Volvo en ABBA, die Switsers het Rinspeed en ander weird karre en koekoeklokke en choccies.
Anyway.. My hele punt is nie dat Toyota slegter lyk teenoor ander brands nie, dit is immaterial vir my. My probleem is dat die Hilux die Moose Test in 2007 gefail het en dit nog steeds doen met die nuwe model wat 10 jaar se R&D in hom in het, of so word ons vertel...
Ek stem ook met jou saam dat dit great sal wees as daar 'n gerekenariseerde toestel kan wees wat die swaai werk elke keer 100% reg kan uitvoer. A La Mythbusters.. Dit sal al die confussie uitskakel.
Wat Wegry probeer het was om vinnig 'n klomp punte te score deur die Swede verkeerd te bewys. Miskien het hulle dit reggekry? Miskien nie... Die blote feit dat hulle die toets 2 keer moes loop doen omdat hulle dit duidelik die eerste keer verkeerd gekry het bewys dat hulle nie die saak so mooi nagevors het nie. Hulle doen dit partykeer so..
Anyway.. My hele punt is nie dat Toyota slegter lyk teenoor ander brands nie, dit is immaterial vir my. My probleem is dat die Hilux die Moose Test in 2007 gefail het en dit nog steeds doen met die nuwe model wat 10 jaar se R&D in hom in het, of so word ons vertel...
Ek stem ook met jou saam dat dit great sal wees as daar 'n gerekenariseerde toestel kan wees wat die swaai werk elke keer 100% reg kan uitvoer. A La Mythbusters.. Dit sal al die confussie uitskakel.
Wat Wegry probeer het was om vinnig 'n klomp punte te score deur die Swede verkeerd te bewys. Miskien het hulle dit reggekry? Miskien nie... Die blote feit dat hulle die toets 2 keer moes loop doen omdat hulle dit duidelik die eerste keer verkeerd gekry het bewys dat hulle nie die saak so mooi nagevors het nie. Hulle doen dit partykeer so..
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
My persoonlike opinie is ook dat Jan alleman meestal net brieke aanslaan in 'n nood geval en nie moose maneuvre doen nie
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
Dit mag wel so wees, maar daar my ondervinding met my Hilux se ABS is dat ek dan maar onder die dashboard in moet duck, want die koedoe/koei/perd/donkie/fietsryer kom klim in deur die voorruit, en hy kom sit in die middel, seatbelt of te not.....
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Re: 2016 hilux moose test fail
en blykbaar is hulle nou besig om dit reg te maak !
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a ... a-20170303
daa gaan seke n recall wees vir al die wat al klaa daa buite is !
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a ... a-20170303
daa gaan seke n recall wees vir al die wat al klaa daa buite is !
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Daar was dan niks fout nie?!rigardt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:40 pm en blykbaar is hulle nou besig om dit reg te maak !
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a ... a-20170303
daa gaan seke n recall wees vir al die wat al klaa daa buite is !
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Is jy nou al so verveeld met jouself dat jy tot nou al hier moet kom troll.Engel wrote:Daar was dan niks fout nie?!rigardt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:40 pm en blykbaar is hulle nou besig om dit reg te maak !
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a ... a-20170303
daa gaan seke n recall wees vir al die wat al klaa daa buite is !
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Stem met jou JAWS. Ek is regtig keelvol vir die *** ....tsek....Die ander "site" is vinnig besig om sy glorie te verloor agv die trolle. Eks lankal weg daar.Jaws wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2017 9:54 pmIs jy nou al so verveeld met jouself dat jy tot nou al hier moet kom troll.Engel wrote:Daar was dan niks fout nie?!rigardt wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2017 7:40 pm en blykbaar is hulle nou besig om dit reg te maak !
http://www.wheels24.co.za/News/Guides_a ... a-20170303
daa gaan seke n recall wees vir al die wat al klaa daa buite is !
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