what is an economically viable bakkie

[Hunter26]

Hi All,newbie here.

At the moment I am driving an Isuzu 250D 2003 4x2 donkey. I want to upgrade in the future to a 4x4. Sorry if this has been asked before. But these are my requirements :

1) double cab diesel
2) fuel economy is 10 - 12km per litre
3) cheap parts and easily available ( my injectors cost R2k per set, new Isuzu costs R 8k each )
4) bullet proof engine
5) non electrified computorised engine ie with new vehicles if a dog pees on wheel engine cuts out )

My budged if I speak to the bank manager could hit R80k plus if I sell my bakkie It could cut my payments down on my future 4x4. I only know Isuzu so I am a virgin to other brands. I have been told to buy Land Rover,colt,pajero etc. Reliability and economy plays a part as I use the vehicle for work and pvt and only get given a set amount for travel allowance. ie only paid at AA rates for a 1000km per month.

Please put your heads together as I am tired of being that person that has to sit on the side line watching everyone playing on 4x4 grounds. :boredom: :boredom:

Thanks
Regards
Craig

[Wurmscooby]

its simple.buy a hilux.

[ôita]

For a bit over R100k you could get a nice and very capable Hilux 3.0 D4D. Sometimes not a 4x4 (depends on price) but with difflock it would be a very good start and will meet all criteria except maybe the 4x4. You could also look for a older shape 3.0 KZTE 4x4 but I think the kilos would be too high on most of them.... I only know Toyotas and trust them the most so sorry for excluding all other brands....

[Oupa Stig]

Older Mazda 2.5 diesels (WL).
Good motors, fairly comfy, amd 4x4 capability is good if you are not into major hardcore stuff.
Hiluxes of the same era wil cost you 30% more.

[ChrisF]

Craig you DO know this is NOT the "Hilux club" ?


THIS here is the SFA-CLUB !!




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Not an easy budget bracket. The odd good deal out there, and just so many more chancers out there !! (in ALL brands)


What do you want to use the vehicle for ?

do you need a bakkie?
do you need a double cab?
do you need diesel ? (are you going to do enough kilos to offset the maintenance vs the maintenance of diesel vs petrol)

[Mud Dog]

Look for an old Hilux SFA 2.8 diesel ... almost impossible to kill (ask Jeremy Clarkson or any other SFA owner) - just try to get something without body rust. You should be able to pick one up in fairly decent nick with your budget. If you can't get a diesel and it's important enough to you, have a WL 2.5 diesel motor fitted. You will then have one of the most capable and reliable off-road vehicles this earth has ever seen, and parts for both the old SFA and the WL motor are still readily available and cheaper than dirt. Fuel consumption will also not be too bad either.

[ThysdJ]

Craig what you describe there is a 2.5td Ford Ranger/Mazda Drifter from the early 2000's... They go for less that R80K, have indestructable engines, pre-electronic, and give serious ride comfort... Had one, bought it with 230 000 on the clock, drove it for 2 1/2 years and sold it with about 350 000 on the clock, and it was still going strong..

The 2.8 diesel Hilux is a donkey.. you'll be lucky if you can get a speed fine in a 60 zone with it... Hey, I had one of those too!! Loved it, but it is not for the faint hearted..

[ChrisF]

Craig what you describe there is a 2.5td Ford Ranger/Mazda Drifter from the early 2000's... They go for less that R80K, have indestructable engines, pre-electronic, and give serious ride comfort... Had one, bought it with 230 000 on the clock, drove it for 2 1/2 years and sold it with about 350 000 on the clock, and it was still going strong..

The 2.8 diesel Hilux is a donkey.. you'll be lucky if you can get a speed fine in a 60 zone with it... Hey, I had one of those too!! Loved it, but it is not for the faint hearted..

now if he answers my questions .... I am thinking of something else that also goes in that price range, and has a detachable bar in the front .....

[Hunter26]

Craig what you describe there is a 2.5td Ford Ranger/Mazda Drifter from the early 2000's... They go for less that R80K, have indestructable engines, pre-electronic, and give serious ride comfort... Had one, bought it with 230 000 on the clock, drove it for 2 1/2 years and sold it with about 350 000 on the clock, and it was still going strong..

The 2.8 diesel Hilux is a donkey.. you'll be lucky if you can get a speed fine in a 60 zone with it... Hey, I had one of those too!! Loved it, but it is not for the faint hearted..

now if he answers my questions .... I am thinking of something else that also goes in that price range, and has a detachable bar in the front .....

Chris are you hinting at a Land Rover :shifty: :shifty:

[ChrisF]

Craig what you describe there is a 2.5td Ford Ranger/Mazda Drifter from the early 2000's... They go for less that R80K, have indestructable engines, pre-electronic, and give serious ride comfort... Had one, bought it with 230 000 on the clock, drove it for 2 1/2 years and sold it with about 350 000 on the clock, and it was still going strong..

The 2.8 diesel Hilux is a donkey.. you'll be lucky if you can get a speed fine in a 60 zone with it... Hey, I had one of those too!! Loved it, but it is not for the faint hearted..

now if he answers my questions .... I am thinking of something else that also goes in that price range, and has a detachable bar in the front .....

Chris are you hinting at a Land Rover :shifty: :shifty:

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (spent way too much time helping my neighbour keeping his balsted Range Rover on the road..)


if you only need a 4x4, not a bakkie, and only 2 doors ..... look at Thys's signature ....

[ThysdJ]

Chris if you can get a Wrangler in that price bracket that runs, buy it... They are few and far between..

[Jaans]

My recommendations will be either a
2.4D Hilux SFA. slow but unstoppable.
2,8D Hilux SFA faster than the 2.4D but not as bullet proof.
2.8D Isuzu. Less capable off road than the SFA but better fuel consumption, and enough power for high way driving.
2.5D Masda or Ford. As capable off road as the Isuzu. I think fuel consumption is between the 2.4D and the 2.8D.

All the best with your decision.

[Hoppy]

Beg, borrow or steal a few bucks and buy a 2.5d4d, you get them from about R130k, relible and economical and much more power than your 250d.

[ôita]

Beg, borrow or steal a few bucks and buy a 2.5d4d, you get them from about R130k, relible and economical and much more power than your 250d.

I second that

[dalkill]

some time ago i was looking at the numbers as well...

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Colt still seemed to be best value for money.

I'm on gumtree almost everyday... R80K will get you very decent 2000 - 2004 colt, or not so decent hilux 2.7 +-2000, or very decent SFA (with some extras)

KZTE mostly over R100K. 2.5d4d was option i liked... towing capacity had me worried though.

colt 2.8 torque figures about 290nm.
kzte about 340nm (bit out of the price range - may find decent one if you lucky)
2.7 hilux about 235nm
2.2 sfa was about 180nm if i remember correctly.
2.5 hilux about 260nm. (out of the price range)
isuzu 2.8 about 230nm

based on these figures for the price range best value for money is still the colt IMHO.
only problem... resale value. toyota has never let me down. I have already sold my vehicles for more than what i bought it for two years later. not sure colt can give me that bonus.

[FIRSTGEER]

Craig I suggest you take the trouble to visit as many used car dealers in East London and surrounds to sus what is available and for what prices they're selling for.
After selling my 2,8d dc hilux 4x4,I searched in earnest for a suitable 4x4 .The problem of finding the correct 4x4 was compounded by the fact that I only wanted a single cab hilux 4x4 d4d.
After much frustration,I finally found the right vehicle.

[rechardt]

Hunter joined this group about two weeks ago for a reason.The fact he has posted here on the Hilux forum means. ...he wants a Hilux. .he wants to hear that he should buy a Hilux. .he already has made up his mind that he wants a Hilux....He just wants to be psychological reassured about the Hilux. . An Isuzu or Ford or Jeep was not even his choice...

[Masekind]

[IndianaJones7746]

2) fuel economy is 10 - 12km per litre

Not that easy.
Of the "non electrified computorised engine"d vehicles, only the 2.8 and first gen 3.0 Isuzu's has a shot at giving you that consumption figure.

[Rebel 4x4]

Older Mazda 2.5 diesels (WL).
Good motors, fairly comfy, amd 4x4 capability is good if you are not into major hardcore stuff.
Hiluxes of the same era wil cost you 30% more.

Isnt the Ford and Mazda sharing the same engine?